I wonder if they ever considered playing Coburn on the wing a la Brent Burns?

Both are the same size and Braydon is a faster skater. Just thinkin'.
- 77rams

Burns actually has offensive skills though...

And not only that. If I EVER found out the Flyers tanked to move up in draft position I would be finding a new team.
- MBFlyerfan

There really was no need to quote yourself in your response to yourself. I'm also not going to go back and read what was posted after i left earlier.

Let me ask you this question. When a team is out of the playoffs, and they trade away veteran players for picks in the next draft, are they not aware that they are likely to lose more games without the vets? Should they not be more concerned with winning games this year than acquiring assets for the future?

Was Calgary tanking the season when they traded Iginla for example?

Edit : Also, how do you propose that you would ever know your team tanked short of a press conference and full confession?

Burns actually has offensive skills though...
- Yosimar89

Yes, and unlike Coburn, Burns is actually a really bad defenseman.

Burns actually has offensive skills though...
- Yosimar89

Eh, just a thought.

Burns actually has offensive skills though...
- Yosimar89

Likely why at times he was moved to forward and off of defense.

There really was no need to quote yourself in your response to yourself. I'm also not going to go back and read what was posted after i left earlier.

Let me ask you this question. When a team is out of the playoffs, and they trade away veteran players for picks in the next draft, are they not aware that they are likely to lose more games without the vets? Should they not be more concerned with winning games this year than acquiring assets for the future?

Was Calgary tanking the season when they traded Iginla for example?
- Flyers_01

The purpose of making those deals is not to tank. The purpose of making those trades is to get better for the future. Not even remotely close to being the same thing.

If you would suggest that the Flyers, if they're out of a playoff position at the deadline, should trade some veterans to get some future assets. I doubt anyone would disagree with you.

Likely why at times he was moved to forward and off of defense.
- ob18

Burns came out of the "O" as a right wing. It wasn't until Lemaire switched him to D that he played on the backend.

The purpose of making those deals is not to tank. The purpose of making those trades is to get better for the future. Not even remotely close to being the same thing.

If you would suggest that the Flyers, if they're out of a playoff position at the deadline, should trade some veterans to get some future assets. I doubt anyone would disagree with you.
- MJL

But if it helps your team secure a better draft position, all the better.

But if it helps your team secure a better draft position, all the better.
- 77rams

That's a fortunate by product. But trading veteran players, and upcoming UFA's for assets, isn't tanking.

That's a fortunate by product. But trading veteran players, and upcoming UFA's for assets, isn't tanking.
- MJL

Without question.

But if they sat their veterans, I'd be a little skeptical.

The purpose of making those deals is not to tank. The purpose of making those trades is to get better for the future. Not even remotely close to being the same thing.

If you would suggest that the Flyers, if they're out of a playoff position at the deadline, should trade some veterans to get some future assets. I doubt anyone would disagree with you.
- MJL

Why are you still in this conversation? I told you that we would have to agree to disagree.

MBFlyer will just echo your question at this point because that's the easiest for him to do, so here's my response.

You are sacrificing wins this season for future assets and long term gain. It's exactly the same thing. If trading established players for returns that won't be seen until the next season at minimum does not reduce your ability to win games, then tell me why?

People don't object to fewer wins when out of playoff contention as long as there is a potential long term gain. It's all in the phrasing.

Removing established players out of the lineup would indeed be the easiest way to tank and that is exactly what is being done.

MBFlyer feels strongly about this by his posts, why don't you let him voice his anger at me.

There really was no need to quote yourself in your response to yourself. I'm also not going to go back and read what was posted after i left earlier.

Let me ask you this question. When a team is out of the playoffs, and they trade away veteran players for picks in the next draft, are they not aware that they are likely to lose more games without the vets? Should they not be more concerned with winning games this year than acquiring assets for the future?

Was Calgary tanking the season when they traded Iginla for example?

Edit : Also, how do you propose that you would ever know your team tanked short of a press conference and full confession?
- Flyers_01

Thank you post Nazi. Ill keep that in mind next time I offend your HB sensibilities by violating the sacred "dont quote yourself" mantra.

As for the other stuff, If you don't see the difference between what you described and purposefully losing games, then I cant help you there.

Off topic but how was Buffalo able to send Risto down to Ahl? Thought that wasn't allowed for 18yr olds?

Off topic but how was Buffalo able to send Risto down to Ahl? Thought that wasn't allowed for 18yr olds?
- flyerfan28

Rules only apply to the Flyers

Off topic but how was Buffalo able to send Risto down to Ahl? Thought that wasn't allowed for 18yr olds?
- flyerfan28

Risto wasn't in CHL.

Idk get how the whole Zadarov thing works though...

After 1

London - 0
Windsor - 2

Stolarz has 3 saves

Thank you post Nazi. Ill keep that in mind next time I offend your HB sensibilities by violating the sacred "dont quote yourself" mantra.

As for the other stuff, If you don't see the difference between what you described and purposefully losing games, then I cant help you there.
- MBFlyerfan

I never said you couldn't, i merely said there was no need. It just didn't make any sense to me. I'm sorry you were so offended.

I guess when the results are identical, and both are done knowing the results will be identical, I don't understand the stigma attached to the one but not the other.

What is your definition of tanking by the way?

After 1

London - 0
Windsor - 2

Stolarz has 3 saves
- ob18

Well that's no good

The purpose of making those deals is not to tank. The purpose of making those trades is to get better for the future. Not even remotely close to being the same thing.

If you would suggest that the Flyers, if they're out of a playoff position at the deadline, should trade some veterans to get some future assets. I doubt anyone would disagree with you.
- MJL

This is why I pointed out in the 76ers analogy that tanking isn't the right word. It's sacrificing assets that will help now so the team will be better in the future.

The only straw man argument was in your reply. And where are you getting the idea that I'm counting on Schenn to suddenly develop offensively? I've made numerous posts on what I think Schenn upside is. And yes, if he develops better decision making and positioning, he can absolutely reach the level of a top pairing defensive defenseman, who is a compliment to a #1 defenseman.




No problem with anyone changing their mind about Carle. Just don't pretend that it was known it was a mistake all along. And really, the discussion is about the JVR for Schenn trade. And whether it was a good trade or not. In my opinion I like the trade. And the future will decide the ultimate outcome of that deal.
- MJL

right now, you're comparing a 1st line winger w/ elite hands and big gm performances vs a guy fighting to be a #6. that's beside the point, but the straw man that i'm saying that the JVR trade is why the team is 1-7, is a joke. the moves made are just symptoms of the overall problem.

again, your unwillingness to concede how all of these moves are related paints you in an uninformed light. homer is constantly reversing himself from season to season and chasing his tail. the referendum i'm clearly alluding to is on homer from bob all the way up to the delaying the inevitable on lavi.

i've always acknowledged his great start as GM, but your failure to acknowledge his obvious mismanagement over the last 3 yrs and the resulting mess he's made of this team, is beyond comical. this team is undeniably headed backwards and a change is in order.

I didn't want Carle for the money he got. I still wouldn't take him on that contract. Not that I'm in love with the Streit signing, but having Carle back wouldn't be a panacea for the current team problems...he had his own issues. JVR for Schenn, the jury is still out. I've seen Schenn play games where he's been very effective in a top 4 role and proven well worth the price, and others where it's questionable...the same can be said for JVR...he's still inconsistent and not a sure thing to ever score more than say, 25 goals. Both of these guys are young players that will not fully develop for a few years...then perhaps we can see if there was a big mistake made.
- exlund

if you'd rather have the 35+ contract of streit than carle, go at it. i'm not sure you're saying that, but carle is the better plyr overall and as good a puck mover. schenn has the confidence of the coach to be getting #6 mins right now, but that could change. he'll never have the potential to effect gms like JVR has already demonstrated, though. we could use JVR's dynamic talent more than what is probably a grossmann clone w/ slightly better puck skills, but less savvy.

Well that's no good
- JAKEw1234

One of the goals I heard from from a 2 on 1, the other I'm not sure.

After 2

London - 2
Windsor - 3

Stolarz has 13 saves

After 2

London - 2
Windsor - 3

Stolarz has 13 saves
- ob18

Everyone has a bad night

does it bug anyone else that the sabers are now adding there 2nd 1st rd pick vadorov to their roster a player that was picked ahead of morin and appears to be NHL ready now as a defense man.... never liked the morin pick i thought that there were better players left on the board at the time of his pick....and one of the players i would have taken is now on a nhl roster....maybe just my opinion but just bugs me......