Bill, 3-2-3 and 3-2-2 are not losing records. What the heck are you thinking?
- Mittin

3-2-3= 8 games played. 4-4= .500. 3<4. That is a losing record. Don't give me this nonsense about pts attained. The system is flawed. Until all games have the same number of points awarded, ie 3pts for a regulation win, than you can judge by that criteria.

No, this city, fans, OWNER, will not patiently rebuild, thats the thing & I can't say that I'm patiently enough to go in that direction, anyone can say to do that, but living with it for 5 years is another thing
- puckhead17

Snider may be a good business man but he has made some bad choices in the last 6 years

If they can't afford Weber how can they afford G? that's my only question. How differen't are their contracts other then Weber has gotten like half of his money already. I was thinking about swapping Read with Hartnell but I wasn't sure on Hartnells status and how long he is injured for. I think if You are getting Weber you need to try and keep Giroux here or you end up with a team who loses a lot but only by 1 goal.
- blizzzard

weber was signed before the new CBA so his higher salary (and eventual cap hit) is much higher than giroux and for like for 11 years. flyers still have more financial freedom than teams like nashville

i disagree. he may not have been the same player he once was but he was awesome at moving the puck, crushing guys in front of the net and as a leader. most people see his departure from the lineup as the major reason for the team's current issues; both in his actual loss and in the moves made (mostly bad) to try to fill the hole
- hogweed

Not only that but what he brought to the interviews played a big part he could deflect questions and erase criticism like no one else even if they had the record they do know it wouldn't be blown up in the media cause he would deflate it and in turn way less pressure on players that already don't need anymore pressure on their shoulders.

i called that trade "horrid" the day it went down and there's nothing i've observed since that makes me feel any different. really calls into question whether homer knows how to build a team anymore. he did it before, but maybe he had better pieces in place back in '07.

it was his neglect in getting a young dman that had him pull what i consider a knee-jerk move w/ JVR...even when he had carle in tow.
- isaiah520

For all his questionable moves this I didn't see as one of them, the fact that they always worried about offense made them have to move someone for Schenn or a similar piece.
Again, remember when JVR was getting hurt every year here, and everyone wondering why he was playing on the perimeter, as oppose to using his size to drive the net?
We forget all that now, (and I think he's currently injured as well)

weber was signed before the new CBA so his higher salary (and eventual cap hit) is much higher than giroux and for like for 11 years. flyers still have more financial freedom than teams like nashville
- hogweed

Yea his cap hit but actual money being paid out was mostly paid in that first year was it not ?

i disagree. he may not have been the same player he once was but he was awesome at moving the puck, crushing guys in front of the net and as a leader. most people see his departure from the lineup as the major reason for the team's current issues; both in his actual loss and in the moves made (mostly bad) to try to fill the hole
- hogweed

They gave up enough for a 30 year old Pronger, not a 35 year old Pronger, I agree with what he brought to the table, but again, they probably looked at Chara & thought he'd be the same at 37 38 39 40 etc

They gave up enough for a 30 year old Pronger, not a 35 year old Pronger, I agree with what he brought to the table, but again, they probably looked at Chara & thought he'd be the same at 37 38 39 40 etc
- puckhead17

sort of like Streit

Snider may be a good business man but he has made some bad choices in the last 6 years
- vejim

Because he wants to win now, we can all relate to that, & if dealing with your heart & not your head was a priority of good business, we could all be GM's

sort of like Streit
- vejim

No, Streit didn't cost us a large package only $$$

If they can't afford Weber how can they afford G? that's my only question. How differen't are their contracts other then Weber has gotten like half of his money already. I was thinking about swapping Read with Hartnell but I wasn't sure on Hartnells status and how long he is injured for. I think if You are getting Weber you need to try and keep Giroux here or you end up with a team who loses a lot but only by 1 goal.
- blizzzard

capgeek has the signing bonus spread out over 6 years. salary plus sb is $20mil a year for the next 2 years and $15/yr until the 2018 season. as i said, i think the flyers are one of the few teams with the financial prowess to afford him, long term

No, Streit didn't cost us a large package only $$$
- puckhead17

money and older player

Yea his cap hit but actual money being paid out was mostly paid in that first year was it not ?
- blizzzard

http://capgeek.com/player/1042

not if this is correct

money and older player
- vejim

yeah, because he thought Coburn could do what Carle could do, again, another mistake, I'm not saying Carle was awesome & all, but we were better with him then w/0

capgeek has the signing bonus spread out over 6 years. salary plus sb is $20mil a year for the next 2 years and $15/yr until the 2018 season. as i said, i think the flyers are one of the few teams with the financial prowess to afford him, long term
- hogweed

Ok I wasn't sure and wasn't going off anything other then what I had thought.

Ok I wasn't sure and wasn't going off anything other then what I had thought.
- blizzzard

i remembered them saying they couldn't trade him the first year and that they had to pay him $27 mil/yr for the first two so there was a lot invested in him up front. i had no idea about the specifics until i looked it up

For all his questionable moves this I didn't see as one of them, the fact that they always worried about offense made them have to move someone for Schenn or a similar piece.
Again, remember when JVR was getting hurt every year here, and everyone wondering why he was playing on the perimeter, as oppose to using his size to drive the net?
We forget all that now, (and I think he's currently injured as well)
- puckhead17

really? they traded a scoring winger who had a down yr due to injuries, who they had just signed to a multi-year contract. did we forget that pwr forwards take more time to mature and develop consistency? did we also forget how he showed up in big games like in the plyoffs vs BOS? ...he did the same for TOR last yr as well...a big, fast guy w/ elite hands who could be maddeningly inconsistent, but it's par for the course w/ young plyrs.

no, the flyers, w/ little foresight, finally traded one forward too many and let matt carle go, even though they needed a puck mover. so they brought in a schenn who barely hung on to his #6 spot in TOR...a guy w/ a a clear ceiling and zero dynamic aspect to his game...all to roll the dice on weber like some riverboat gambler.

luke plyed pretty solid last yr, but watching JVR take over portions of the plyoff series vs BOS last yr provided the stark contrast between these 2 plyrs...and we'v had trouble scoring consistently since then haven't we? would you not rather have carle and JVR than schenn and by extension, striet?

i remembered them saying they couldn't trade him the first year and that they had to pay him $27 mil/yr for the first two so there was a lot invested in him up front. i had no idea about the specifics until i looked it up
- hogweed

For some reason I thought like half was paid out in the first year then went into a normal contract but looks like I was wrong.

It is dire currently, but if someone told me that hey your team will suck this year, however you will finally find a franchise goaltender for the longterm I'd said sure thing.

Obviously grasping at anything positive, but Mason has been real impressive, I hope he can keep it up

i think they can't afford to keep him. truthfully i would seriously consider giroux for weber at this point. i think we have enough forward depth and i think weber and morin (plus almost anyone else with them) make a outstanding top 4 D scenario. i love giroux but i think they made the same mistake making a young guy captain again here again like the did with richards.
- hogweed

Not trying to be an ass but what about this offense makes you feel as tho they have enough depth. I don't think this team gets better trading away what it would take to get Weber. besides, all defense and no offense hasn't exactly done much for Nashville. I still think this team needs to stay the course and build through the draft.

Plus at this point, they have paid so much up front money to Weber, I don't think they can afford NOT to keep him. Esp asking to take on Giroux's contract.

really? they traded a scoring winger who had a down yr due to injuries, who they had just signed to a multi-year contract. did we forget that pwr forwards take more time to mature and develop consistency? did we also forget how he showed up in big games like in the plyoffs vs BOS? ...he did the same for TOR last yr as well...a big, fast guy w/ elite hands who could be maddeningly inconsistent, but it's par for the course w/ young plyrs.

no, the flyers, w/ little foresight, finally traded one forward too many and let matt carle go, even though they needed a puck mover. so they brought in a schenn who barely hung on to his #6 spot in TOR...a guy w/ a a clear ceiling and zero dynamic aspect to his game...all to roll the dice on weber like some riverboat gambler.

luke plyed pretty solid last yr, but watching JVR take over portions of the plyoff series vs BOS last yr provided the stark contrast between these 2 plyrs...and we'v had trouble scoring consistently since then haven't we? would not rather have carle and JVR than schenn and by extension, striet?
- isaiah520

I think JVR and Bob sealed the deal for Homer

really? they traded a scoring winger who had a down yr due to injuries, who they had just signed to a multi-year contract. did we forget that pwr forwards take more time to mature and develop consistency? did we also forget how he showed up in big games like in the plyoffs vs BOS? ...he did the same for TOR last yr as well...a big, fast guy w/ elite hands who could be maddeningly inconsistent, but it's par for the course w/ young plyrs.

no, the flyers, w/ little foresight, finally traded one forward too many and let matt carle go, even though they needed a puck mover. so they brought in a schenn who barely hung on to his #6 spot in TOR...a guy w/ a a clear ceiling and zero dynamic aspect to his game...all to roll the dice on weber like some riverboat gambler.

luke plyed pretty solid last yr, but watching JVR take over portions of the plyoff series vs BOS last yr provided the stark contrast between these 2 plyrs...and we'v had trouble scoring consistently since then haven't we? would not rather have carle and JVR than schenn and by extension, striet?
- isaiah520

again, you were in these blogs when EVERYONE was frustrated with JVR's ability, he was injured a few times, & that one game in the playoff series vs Boston, was followed up by perimeter play & frustration, it's easy to say that now because he had a great start & Luke has struggled on a team that on thursday night was 1-6 playing the hated Penguins & coasted in the 2nd period.
These trades take a few years to evaluate.

Not trying to be an ass but what about this offense makes you feel as tho they have enough depth. I don't think this team gets better trading away what it would take to get Weber. besides, all defense and no offense hasn't exactly done much for Nashville. I still think this team needs to stay the course and build through the draft.

Plus at this point, they have paid so much up front money to Weber, I don't think they can afford NOT to keep him. Esp asking to take on Giroux's contract.
- nastyflyergirl

thursday night 1-6 against the hated Penguins, and they coasted in the 2nd period, you think they will right this ship, that was a telling factor

i disagree. he may not have been the same player he once was but he was awesome at moving the puck, crushing guys in front of the net and as a leader. most people see his departure from the lineup as the major reason for the team's current issues; both in his actual loss and in the moves made (mostly bad) to try to fill the hole
- hogweed

I agree with you. What Pronger brought to the team was immense. They miss him greatly. So do I.

Not trying to be an ass but what about this offense makes you feel as tho they have enough depth. I don't think this team gets better trading away what it would take to get Weber. besides, all defense and no offense hasn't exactly done much for Nashville. I still think this team needs to stay the course and build through the draft.

Plus at this point, they have paid so much up front money to Weber, I don't think they can afford NOT to keep him. Esp asking to take on Giroux's contract.
- nastyflyergirl

keep the young guys and draft well...most of these contracts should be gone in 4 years