http://capgeek.com/player/1042

not if this is correct
- hogweed

He got $13 million as soon as the deal was signed, $1 million for the 2012-2013 season and then $13 million again this past July 1 as Year. $27 million in less than one calendar year, Granted he is due another 52 million over the next 4 seasons and that is a lot but I just think spending 27 million in one calendar year is too much to not keep him. How do you sell that to your fans?

again, you were in these blogs when EVERYONE was frustrated with JVR's ability, he was injured a few times, & that one game in the playoff series vs Boston, was followed up by perimeter play & frustration, it's easy to say that now because he had a great start & Luke has struggled on a team that on thursday night was 1-6 playing the hated Penguins & coasted in the 2nd period.
These trades take a few years to evaluate.
- puckhead17

I was always on the keep JVR train. never once wanted him moved. People are so impatient with young players.

again, you were in these blogs when EVERYONE was frustrated with JVR's ability, he was injured a few times, & that one game in the playoff series vs Boston, was followed up by perimeter play & frustration, it's easy to say that now because he had a great start & Luke has struggled on a team that on thursday night was 1-6 playing the hated Penguins & coasted in the 2nd period.
These trades take a few years to evaluate.
- puckhead17

i've been here since '06. i wasn't too impressed w/ JVR in the Worlds and i questioned his motor, but once he became a flyer, i was patient w/ him. he saw glimpses of what he could do in the plyoffs...enuf for homer to make a multi yr deal and now we see him starting to hit his stride. this is very typical for power forwards.

but, more to the point- can you not see the difference in talent and dynamic impact potential between the these two plyrs? can you not see the lack of foresight in the ensuing moves that were made? good GMs don't play checkers when they should be plying chess...

I was always on the keep JVR train. never once wanted him moved. People are so impatient with young players.
- nastyflyergirl

I never wanted him gone either, but what else can they do? They never cared about the D

Looking back Pronger really conned this organization into a 5 year signing when there was no way his game was going to get or be any better over the age of 35.

That may have been the first of the line of questionable decisions by our GM, Pronger was (I think), the best in the business at one time (St. Louis & Anaheim), but was he really going to elevate his game over 35, in the next 5 years?
- puckhead17

That's not a very popular position to trumpet around here, but I 100% agree with you.

There's definitely a bit of nostalgia-laced mistiness when people recall what kind of player Pronger was when he finally arrived here.

Yes, he was a game-changer, and he could still control both sides of the puck, and he was easily, by far, the team's best dman... but his skating had really begun to deteriorate (evidenced by the increasing frequency with which he was getting beat to the outside, Evander Kane), and he was nowhere near as physically intimidating in the corners, and in front of the net as he used to be, because he was so carefully managing his declining endurance.

We're extremely fortunate to not have had to witness the last 2-4 years of that 35+ contract when big bodies deteriorate to the point where production goes over a cliff. Like Hatcher before him, I'm sure his mere presence in the room would be a boon to the team, but it would have been painful to watch such a great player decline to the point of averageness.

I think JVR and Bob sealed the deal for Homer
- vejim

i'd say the worm turned on his tenure here w/ those two moves and letting carle go...i didn't want bryz, but it was still salvageable.

i've been here since '06. i wasn't too impressed w/ JVR in the Worlds and i questioned his motor, but once he became a flyer, i was patient w/ him. he saw glimpses of what he could do in the plyoffs...enuf for homer to make a multi yr deal and now we see him starting to hit his stride. this is very typical for power forwards.

but, more to the point- can you not see the difference in talent and dynamic impact potential between the these two plyrs? can you not see the lack of foresight in the ensuing moves that were made? good GMs don't play checkers when they should be plying chess...
- isaiah520

See my other post, I never wanted to move him either but what else cold they do?

They never cared about defense, all young offensive forwards

That's not a very popular position to trumpet around here, but I 100% agree with you.

There's definitely a bit of nostalgia-laced mistiness when people recall what kind of player Pronger was when he finally arrived here.

Yes, he was a game-changer, and he could still control both sides of the puck, and he was easily, by far, the team's best dman... but his skating had really begun to deteriorate (evidenced by the increasing frequency with which he was getting beat to the outside, Evander Kane), and he was nowhere near as physically intimidating in the corners, and in front of the net as he used to be, because he was so carefully managing his declining endurance.

We're extremely fortunate to not have had to witness the last 2-4 years of that 35+ contract when big bodies deteriorate to the point where production goes over a cliff. Like Hatcher before him, I'm sure his mere presence in the room would be a boon to the team, but it would have been painful to watch such a great player decline to the point of averageness.
- Tomahawk

All excellent points!! Agree 100%!!
his injury saved himself, (I hate to put it in the way that it sounds), from the fans witnessing & booing, & criticizing his declining play, slow foot speed, what we gave up, etc
Did they really think they would be in a bidding war in giving him less than 5 years at over 35?

He got $13 million as soon as the deal was signed, $1 million for the 2012-2013 season and then $13 million again this past July 1 as Year. $27 million in less than one calendar year, Granted he is due another 52 million over the next 4 seasons and that is a lot but I just think spending 27 million in one calendar year is too much to not keep him. How do you sell that to your fans?
- nastyflyergirl

by bringing in a young potential superstar like giroux. and to answer your other question, i didn't say we had great forwards staked throughout the system, but i think we do have depth and since there are usually 15-20 forwards available in FA each year ( as opposed to 1-2 great Dmen) i think building the D is that way to go. the key is picking the correct pieces which i don't think we do well at this juncture

He got $13 million as soon as the deal was signed, $1 million for the 2012-2013 season and then $13 million again this past July 1 as Year. $27 million in less than one calendar year, Granted he is due another 52 million over the next 4 seasons and that is a lot but I just think spending 27 million in one calendar year is too much to not keep him. How do you sell that to your fans?
- nastyflyergirl

look at the capgeek breakdown. it does not agree with this. he is due almost $70 million over the next 4 years between salary and sb money

See my other post, I never wanted to move him either but what else cold they do?

They never cared about defense, all young offensive forwards
- puckhead17

like i said, keep carle, JVR and be a better team. JVR wouldn't look dynamite w/ G right now? JVR is a superior passer as well. oh well, bygones...time for a new GM

That's not a very popular position to trumpet around here, but I 100% agree with you.

There's definitely a bit of nostalgia-laced mistiness when people recall what kind of player Pronger was when he finally arrived here.

Yes, he was a game-changer, and he could still control both sides of the puck, and he was easily, by far, the team's best dman... but his skating had really begun to deteriorate (evidenced by the increasing frequency with which he was getting beat to the outside, Evander Kane), and he was nowhere near as physically intimidating in the corners, and in front of the net as he used to be, because he was so carefully managing his declining endurance.

We're extremely fortunate to not have had to witness the last 2-4 years of that 35+ contract when big bodies deteriorate to the point where production goes over a cliff. Like Hatcher before him, I'm sure his mere presence in the room would be a boon to the team, but it would have been painful to watch such a great player decline to the point of averageness.
- Tomahawk

how does that translate to Pronger conned the organization?

That's not a very popular position to trumpet around here, but I 100% agree with you.

There's definitely a bit of nostalgia-laced mistiness when people recall what kind of player Pronger was when he finally arrived here.

Yes, he was a game-changer, and he could still control both sides of the puck, and he was easily, by far, the team's best dman... but his skating had really begun to deteriorate (evidenced by the increasing frequency with which he was getting beat to the outside, Evander Kane), and he was nowhere near as physically intimidating in the corners, and in front of the net as he used to be, because he was so carefully managing his declining endurance.

We're extremely fortunate to not have had to witness the last 2-4 years of that 35+ contract when big bodies deteriorate to the point where production goes over a cliff. Like Hatcher before him, I'm sure his mere presence in the room would be a boon to the team, but it would have been painful to watch such a great player decline to the point of averageness.
- Tomahawk

I miss him alot but thats a great point about his declining play and fan criticism. Rarely do players go out on top here.

by bringing in a young potential superstar like giroux. and to answer your other question, i didn't say we had great forwards staked throughout the system, but i think we do have depth and since there are usually 15-20 forwards available in FA each year ( as opposed to 1-2 great Dmen) i think building the D is that way to go. the key is picking the correct pieces which i don't think we do well at this juncture
- hogweed

I personally rather see them stay the course and build thru the draft than to move the 24 yr old face of the organization.

look at the capgeek breakdown. it does not agree with this. he is due almost $70 million over the next 4 years between salary and sb money
- hogweed

My main point was that he got paid 27 million from the time he was signed to the deal to July 1, 2013. thats a lot of money. I can't see Nashville moving him.

I personally rather see them stay the course and build thru the draft than to move the 24 yr old face of the organization.
- nastyflyergirl

That's easier to say then to endure 4-5 years of sucking every night, not that we have it any different now

I miss him alot but thats a great point about his declining play and fan criticism. Rarely do players go out on top here.
- aosplayo

for me the question is would you take him on this team right now at his current salary and i answer "absolutely". what we gave for him was high; subsequent deals are only about money which the flyers have plenty of

how does that translate to Pronger conned the organization?
- nastyflyergirl

I don't agree with the conned part, but it was definitely a cavalier/irresponsible contract for Homer to be handing out, without any regard for the long-term consequences.

My main point was that he got paid 27 million from the time he was signed to the deal to July 1, 2013. thats a lot of money. I can't see Nashville moving him.
- nastyflyergirl

They have a fan base to keep happy as well, in a bad hockey market, he's not going anywhere

Is it time to take another run at Weber ? maybe Coburn, B. Schenn or Couts plus some other player maybe Read? I know that they are likely set on keeping Weber to teach and mentor Jones but it can't hurt to try and that's not to say he hasn't made calls about him this year either.
- blizzzard

I love you. My hope for weber had died.. but now you have rekindled it. Thank you sir.

Too bad we didn't get Bobby Ryan....

I don't agree with the conned part, but it was definitely a cavalier/irresponsible contract for Homer to be handing out, without any regard to the long-term consequences.
- Tomahawk

Your correct sir, I should have worded it in that manner

Eh
There may be a hockey trade the Flyers can pull off, the kind that helps both teams.
Right now they have too many defensive defenseman and could use a puck mover.
- Marc D

What about the great Mark Streit??

I don't agree with the conned part, but it was definitely a cavalier/irresponsible contract for Homer to be handing out, without any regard to the long-term consequences.
- Tomahawk

Isn't streit an over 35 contract to?

for me the question is would you take him on this team right now at his current salary and i answer "absolutely". what we gave for him was high; subsequent deals are only about money which the flyers have plenty of
- hogweed

oh absolutely, take him back in a heartbeat

Isn't streit an over 35 contract to?
- Flyersgod