if it keeps going this way and we ultimately become sellers, not that far fetched at this point, I'd say market value for these guys is:

Dan Girardi: 1st and 2nd rounder
Ryan Callahan: 1st and 2nd rounder
Anton Stralman: 2nd rounder
Brian Boyle: 3rd rounder
Taylor Pyatt: 5th rounder
Benoit Pouliot: 5th or 6th rounder
Dominic Moore: 6th rounder

I don't even want to speculate about Lundqvist's trade value, because I just can't see it ever happening.

Derrick Brassard is a RFA after the season, he probably could fetch a first if it came down to it
- jimbro83

Whoa! May as well buyout Richards.

If Nash is forced to retire, we trade the Captain and truly blow it up, there's very little chance Lundqvist stays.

Can we stop with trading the whole team, were that close just 2 years ago and now the furthest team from the Cup?

It's bad enough having to see every player get hurt and Nash's career in jeopardy, absolutely nothing has gone their way but we don't to dismantle every piece of this team, talking about trading Callahan is beyond stupid and if you're onboard with that then turn in everything Rangers that you own

Can we stop with trading the whole team, were that close just 2 years ago and now the furthest team from the Cup?

It's bad enough having to see every player get hurt and Nash's career in jeopardy, absolutely nothing has gone their way but we don't to dismantle every piece of this team, talking about trading Callahan is beyond stupid and if you're onboard with that then turn in everything Rangers that you own
- cranford93

if we are out of it by the deadline, would you rather get a haul for Ryan Callahan similar to what Buffalo got Jason Pominville last season and then maybe talk to Callahan July 1st?

we are just talking on here, anything we say on hockeybuzz has nothing to do with what actually happens and never will

if it keeps going this way and we ultimately become sellers, not that far fetched at this point, I'd say market value for these guys is:

Dan Girardi: 1st and 2nd rounder
Ryan Callahan: 1st and 2nd rounder
Anton Stralman: 2nd rounder
Brian Boyle: 3rd rounder
Taylor Pyatt: 5th rounder
Benoit Pouliot: 5th or 6th rounder
Dominic Moore: 6th rounder

I don't even want to speculate about Lundqvist's trade value, because I just can't see it ever happening.

Derrick Brassard is a RFA after the season, he probably could fetch a first if it came down to it
- jimbro83

Dan Girardi + to AnaHeim for Gibson and Smith-Pelly.

Dan Girardi + to AnaHeim for Gibson and Smith-Pelly.

- tomburton99

I think I am going to throw up.

Dan Girardi + to AnaHeim for Gibson and Smith-Pelly.

- tomburton99

they really should be trying to make a push to acquire Gibson

if we are out of it by the deadline, would you rather get a haul for Ryan Callahan similar to what Buffalo got Jason Pominville last season and then maybe talk to Callahan July 1st?

we are just talking on here, anything we say on hockeybuzz has nothing to do with what actually happens and never will
- jimbro83

QUE?

I think I am going to throw up.
- mrhattrick27

Just hypothetical talk. However, if they blow up in February or March, they better ask Anaheim about Gibson, Dallas for Campbell or Detroit about Mrazek. Those 3 kids have starting goalie potential. The Rangers best goalie prospect in 26 year old Cam Talbot.

they really should be trying to make a push to acquire Gibson
- jimbro83

If that's one thing the Ducks lack, it's a defensmen like Girardi.

if we are out of it by the deadline, would you rather get a haul for Ryan Callahan similar to what Buffalo got Jason Pominville last season and then maybe talk to Callahan July 1st?

we are just talking on here, anything we say on hockeybuzz has nothing to do with what actually happens and never will
- jimbro83

Wouldn't risk it.

Wouldn't risk it.
- cranford93

Better sign him before the deadline. Or I could see the Sabres throwing boatloads of cash at him.

Wouldn't risk it.
- cranford93

well it's also a risk too if the Rangers fall out of it, they aren't able to come to an agreement and he leaves for nothing July 1st.

Again, we are talking hypothetical situations if it becomes clear that the Rangers are out of it at deadline time.

I can't imagine the Rangers just standing pat and hanging onto all these UFA's if that's the state of the team in March.

Lmfao sooooo I see we are blowing up the whole team. Hahaha idk about the rest of you I refuse to think this season is going to end up being a disaster. Are they hurting right now, absolutely. Cally isn't going anywhere nor is Hank, Nash, Stepan, Mcdonagh, Stepan. These guys are here for the long haul idc if some of then are becoming free agents or not after this season. I will give this team 20-25 games to turn things around. There is to much dead weight on this team right now. Guys like Zuccs, Pouloit, Moore, Brassard, and Boyle are giving us nothing thus far. Brassard I have been very disappointed with amongst some of the other things. I was expecting a huge season from him.

We have a down season it happens but doesn't mean we have to blow it up. We can keep our core guys and get a good a draft pick and hopefully we turn things round next season but I personally can't even think about that right now 7,8 games into the season.

Lmfao sooooo I see we are blowing up the whole team. Hahaha idk about the rest of you I refuse to think this season is going to end up being a disaster. Are they hurting right now, absolutely. Cally isn't going anywhere nor is Hank, Nash, Stepan, Mcdonagh, Stepan. These guys are here for the long haul idc if some of then are becoming free agents or not after this season. I will give this team 20-25 games to turn things around. There is to much dead weight on this team right now. Guys like Zuccs, Pouloit, Moore, Brassard, and Boyle are giving us nothing thus far. Brassard I have been very disappointed with amongst some of the other things. I was expecting a huge season from him.

We have a down season it happens but doesn't mean we have to blow it up. We can keep our core guys and get a good a draft pick and hopefully we turn things round next season but I personally can't even think about that right now 7,8 games into the season.
- adwolf130

Stepan, McDonagh and Stepan are definitely not going anywhere, and Stepan isn't going anywhere twice

Lmfao sooooo I see we are blowing up the whole team. Hahaha idk about the rest of you I refuse to think this season is going to end up being a disaster. Are they hurting right now, absolutely. Cally isn't going anywhere nor is Hank, Nash, Stepan, Mcdonagh, Stepan. These guys are here for the long haul idc if some of then are becoming free agents or not after this season. I will give this team 20-25 games to turn things around. There is to much dead weight on this team right now. Guys like Zuccs, Pouloit, Moore, Brassard, and Boyle are giving us nothing thus far. Brassard I have been very disappointed with amongst some of the other things. I was expecting a huge season from him.

We have a down season it happens but doesn't mean we have to blow it up. We can keep our core guys and get a good a draft pick and hopefully we turn things round next season but I personally can't even think about that right now 7,8 games into the season.
- adwolf130

Let's be honest with each other here. Even if this team gets healthy, starts to play well under Vigneault's system and actually starts regularly winning hockey games, they still don't have the proper core to matchup with the Bruins, Penguins, Kings, Sharks etc., etc.

In other words, the way this team is built, we can only legitimately expect them to advance to the second round, maybe the conference finals if things break their way. But to expect anything else, without significantly altering this roster is just blind allegiance to their flag.

They don't have the proper amount of high end skill nor do they have the necessary toughness and size that successful teams need to get to the top of the mountain.

When you truly can't expect any production out of half of the forwards in the lineup how can we as fans have hopes for anything more than the usual?

When having to rely way too heavily on a goaltender, who seems to be unreliable at the start, that is a highly flawed blueprint for cup contention.

And what are sports about? Winning, not mediocrity or just being above the so-called cut year after year. Things need to change for this organization and drastically at that. So, yea it's early, but it's clear this team is simply not good enough to even compete. Why hang our collective hopes on a few players, returning from injury, to get them into the last two or three playoff spots in the conference and get wiped out by clearly better teams, come playoff time?

I don't have a crystal ball but I have been a fan of this team for 22 years; no crystal ball is needed. A drastic turnaround is highly unlikely with this group of soft hockey players.

In closing, blow...it...up and get a top pick in the draft this year. Besides elite goaltending, this team needs pretty much everything else that qualifies as a prerequisite to be considered a true cup contender.

Stepan, McDonagh and Stepan are definitely not going anywhere, and Stepan isn't going anywhere twice

- jimbro83

Of course you have to keep a few core pieces, even in a total rebuild.

Stepan, McDonagh, Callahan and Hank should remain untouchable. I am completely on board with seeing every other player get dealt or sent out in another way.

Let's be honest with each other here. Even if this team gets healthy, starts to play well under Vigneault's system and actually starts regularly winning hockey games, they still don't have the proper core to matchup with the Bruins, Penguins, Kings, Sharks etc., etc.

In other words, the way this team is built, we can only legitimately expect them to advance to the second round, maybe the conference finals if things break their way. But to expect anything else, without significantly altering this roster is just blind allegiance to their flag.

They don't have the proper amount of high end skill nor do they have the necessary toughness and size that successful teams need to get to the top of the mountain.

When you truly can't expect any production out of half of the forwards in the lineup how can we as fans have hopes for anything more than the usual?

When having to rely way too heavily on a goaltender, who seems to be unreliable at the start, that is a highly flawed blueprint for cup contention.

And what are sports about? Winning, not mediocrity or just being above the so-called cut year after year. Things need to change for this organization and drastically at that. So, yea it's early, but it's clear this team is simply not good enough to even compete. Why hang our collective hopes on a few players, returning from injury, to get them into the last two or three playoff spots in the conference and get wiped out by clearly better teams, come playoff time?

I don't have a crystal ball but I have been a fan of this team for 22 years; no crystal ball is needed. A drastic turnaround is highly unlikely with this group of soft hockey players.

In closing, blow...it...up and get a top pick in the draft this year. Besides elite goaltending, this team needs pretty much everything else that qualifies as a prerequisite to be considered a true cup contender.
- MidnightMarauder

i am not going to agree with this. This is a team that's learning a new system under an all new coaching staff. The team is not healthy with injuries to near-critical players. Let's see what happens, if the chance presents itself, when everyone is healthy and has about 10 to 15 games together.

If they can score goals, then the complexion of each game changes. Not scoring leads to rough, grinding games which, as stated, this team may not do well against the likes of the Bruins, Pens, etc. If the goals come, then the face of those games change.

I wouldn't blow anything up at all. Just get rid of certain players.

Of course you have to keep a few core pieces, even in a total rebuild.

Stepan, McDonagh, Callahan and Hank should remain untouchable. I am completely on board with seeing every other player get dealt or sent out in another way.
- MidnightMarauder

I'd add Staal and Hags. If you watched the past few games, Staal is back!

i am not going to agree with this. This is a team that's learning a new system under an all new coaching staff. The team is not healthy with injuries to near-critical players. Let's see what happens, if the chance presents itself, when everyone is healthy and has about 10 to 15 games together.

If they can score goals, then the complexion of each game changes. Not scoring leads to rough, grinding games which, as stated, this team may not do well against the likes of the Bruins, Pens, etc. If the goals come, then the face of those games change.

I wouldn't blow anything up at all. Just get rid of certain players.
- mames11

if the nightmare comes true and Nash is out for the year, or even more, has to retire, do we trade more youth, picks, and try to get another elite player in here? do we stand pat? or do we sell off and rebuild this thing a bit?

Because that's where this is all coming from today. The Rangers complete silence about the state of Rick Nash.

Let's be honest with each other here. Even if this team gets healthy, starts to play well under Vigneault's system and actually starts regularly winning hockey games, they still don't have the proper core to matchup with the Bruins, Penguins, Kings, Sharks etc., etc.

In other words, the way this team is built, we can only legitimately expect them to advance to the second round, maybe the conference finals if things break their way. But to expect anything else, without significantly altering this roster is just blind allegiance to their flag.

They don't have the proper amount of high end skill nor do they have the necessary toughness and size that successful teams need to get to the top of the mountain.

When you truly can't expect any production out of half of the forwards in the lineup how can we as fans have hopes for anything more than the usual?

When having to rely way too heavily on a goaltender, who seems to be unreliable at the start, that is a highly flawed blueprint for cup contention.

And what are sports about? Winning, not mediocrity or just being above the so-called cut year after year. Things need to change for this organization and drastically at that. So, yea it's early, but it's clear this team is simply not good enough to even compete. Why hang our collective hopes on a few players, returning from injury, to get them into the last two or three playoff spots in the conference and get wiped out by clearly better teams, come playoff time?

I don't have a crystal ball but I have been a fan of this team for 22 years; no crystal ball is needed. A drastic turnaround is highly unlikely with this group of soft hockey players.

In closing, blow...it...up and get a top pick in the draft this year. Besides elite goaltending, this team needs pretty much everything else that qualifies as a prerequisite to be considered a true cup contender.
- MidnightMarauder

I know we don't want to use excuses here but I refuse to blow a team up that hasn't even had it's home opener yet.

Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord 11m

No Henrik Lundqvist on the ice for #NYR practice. Third straight practice missed for Hank. Not a good sign for tomorrow at Philly.

Let's be honest with each other here. Even if this team gets healthy, starts to play well under Vigneault's system and actually starts regularly winning hockey games, they still don't have the proper core to matchup with the Bruins, Penguins, Kings, Sharks etc., etc.

In other words, the way this team is built, we can only legitimately expect them to advance to the second round, maybe the conference finals if things break their way. But to expect anything else, without significantly altering this roster is just blind allegiance to their flag.

They don't have the proper amount of high end skill nor do they have the necessary toughness and size that successful teams need to get to the top of the mountain.

When you truly can't expect any production out of half of the forwards in the lineup how can we as fans have hopes for anything more than the usual?

When having to rely way too heavily on a goaltender, who seems to be unreliable at the start, that is a highly flawed blueprint for cup contention.

And what are sports about? Winning, not mediocrity or just being above the so-called cut year after year. Things need to change for this organization and drastically at that. So, yea it's early, but it's clear this team is simply not good enough to even compete. Why hang our collective hopes on a few players, returning from injury, to get them into the last two or three playoff spots in the conference and get wiped out by clearly better teams, come playoff time?

I don't have a crystal ball but I have been a fan of this team for 22 years; no crystal ball is needed. A drastic turnaround is highly unlikely with this group of soft hockey players.

In closing, blow...it...up and get a top pick in the draft this year. Besides elite goaltending, this team needs pretty much everything else that qualifies as a prerequisite to be considered a true cup contender.
- MidnightMarauder

meh in the offseason this team's core had the potential not only to match up with the bruins, pens, etc...but to win the stanely cup.

now 7 rough games and we don't have it.

it's all about perception. a few bad losses to start the season and we're automatically a lottery team? but the 24 hour period after the kings and caps win, we're stanley cup contenders?

cmon guys we're acting like penguins fans. let's act like we actually know hockey and know how tough it is to adjust to a new system for a team and how serious our injuries actually are.

i am not going to agree with this. This is a team that's learning a new system under an all new coaching staff. The team is not healthy with injuries to near-critical players. Let's see what happens, if the chance presents itself, when everyone is healthy and has about 10 to 15 games together.

If they can score goals, then the complexion of each game changes. Not scoring leads to rough, grinding games which, as stated, this team may not do well against the likes of the Bruins, Pens, etc. If the goals come, then the face of those games change.

I wouldn't blow anything up at all. Just get rid of certain players.
- mames11

This new system sh!t is getting really old, really fast. There are several teams, that had coaching changes, and none of them look as pathetic as the Rangers look.

If you want to use injuries and this joke of a road trip, ok. But please, stop with the new system stuff, it's an embarrassing excuse to use for professional athletes.

I would be encouraged with the team getting scoring chances but being snake bitten or having run into hot goaltending. This team generates next to nothing offensively; that's a big difference from not converting quality chances.

meh in the offseason this team's core had the potential not only to match up with the bruins, pens, etc...but to win the stanely cup.

now 7 rough games and we don't have it.

it's all about perception. a few bad losses to start the season and we're automatically a lottery team? but the 24 hour period after the kings and caps win, we're stanley cup contenders?

cmon guys we're acting like penguins fans. let's act like we actually know hockey and know how tough it is to adjust to a new system for a team and how serious our injuries actually are.
- rangerdanger94

you are ignoring the speculation that Rick Nash may never play again

if the nightmare comes true and Nash is out for the year, or even more, has to retire, do we trade more youth, picks, and try to get another elite player in here? do we stand pat? or do we sell off and rebuild this thing a bit?

Because that's where this is all coming from today. The Rangers complete silence about the state of Rick Nash.
- jimbro83

Dude is Keith Primeau or Eric Lindros 2.0.