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tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:31 PM ET
in what? his 1.5 seasons he's played buried on the 3rd line? hardly enough of a sample size to say that's what type of player he'll be the next 15 years of his career.

seguin currently has 10 points in 8 games and looks like he's destined to be an all-world superstar. would love this kid on my team any day of the week.

- rangerdanger94

Talent wise he's great. It's what he does off the ice that worries me.
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:31 PM ET
probably not exceptional talent in the sense of crosby or ovechkin, and maybe not ever tavares, but he has the potential to be as close as humanly possible in my opinion.
- rangerdanger94

has the skill and the size but does he have the drive?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:32 PM ET
I thought Reinhart would go first this year. I feel lots of players will get granted exceptional player status now that its a new standard. Will any of them really be exceptional players? Who knows probably Mcdavid though but the Crosby comparison is a bit much.
- mighty13duck

tough to say now but mcdavid looks the most promising.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:34 PM ET
I thought Reinhart would go first this year. I feel lots of players will get granted exceptional player status now that its a new standard. Will any of them really be exceptional players? Who knows probably Mcdavid though but the Crosby comparison is a bit much.
- mighty13duck

He probably will. But Aaron Ekblad was the first defensmen granted exceptional status by Hockey Canada.
cranford93
New York Rangers
Location: "For Whatever Reason"
Joined: 04.30.2007

Oct 21 @ 4:36 PM ET
And what a TREMENDOUS CAREER he has had!
- Crushers68

it was over 5 years ago, washed up over rated garbage, Patrick Roy is the greatest, no debate
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:39 PM ET
You can get away with if you put up 71 points in 74 playoff games and score one of the most infamous goals in playoff history.
- tomburton99

yea for sure. you just gotta remember that seguin has only played 1.5 years in this league and was mostly playing on the 3rd line because of boston's center depth. now he's on the 1st line with jamie benn on his wing and he's got 10 points in 8 games. still a long season, but he seems to be developing pretty well if he keeps it up.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:39 PM ET
as do i !!!!!!! kid loves the boogar sugar
- WayneY

yea don't blame him

he only does it in the offseason as far as i know. never during the season. he's a professional in that sense i guess lol.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:41 PM ET
yea for sure. you just gotta remember that seguin has only played 1.5 years in this league and was mostly playing on the 3rd line because of boston's center depth. now he's on the 1st line with jamie benn on his wing and he's got 10 points in 8 games. still a long season, but he seems to be developing pretty well if he keeps it up.
- rangerdanger94

For sure. But he hasn't progressed like Hall has and Seguin has been on better teams. I do think playing top 6 minutes in a non hockey market will take the pressure off him. And of course playing with Jamie Benn always helps. That guy doesn't get talked about enough. Very underrated.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:42 PM ET
For sure. But he hasn't progressed like Hall has and Seguin has been on better teams. I do think playing top 6 minutes in a non hockey market will take the pressure off him. And of course playing with Jamie Benn always helps. That guy doesn't get talked about enough. Very underrated.
- tomburton99

can't believe he didn't get an invite to team canada's camp
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:49 PM ET
can't believe he didn't get an invite to team canada's camp
- rangerdanger94

Canada has so much depth a center that some of them will have to play on the wing. I can see why he didn't get invited. If they have them in 2018 he's probably a shoe in.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 21 @ 4:52 PM ET
I am not for giving the kids away, no way. I am looking more at dealing away a few key pieces for the right price( a la Girardi, Del Zotto, Richards if he shows well) and get rid of as much dead weight as humanly possible.

There are pieces that have value but the dynamic has to change up here and until it does, do not expect anything special to happen with this group.

- MidnightMarauder


When did they deal kids away?? Richards was dealt for what was the top prospect in hockey at the time and A young Wayne Simmonds and Carter was dealt for the 7th overall pick and a young Jackub Vochek. While building the team around a young Giroux. That's where the comparison should stop as they started spending money like drunk sailors.

Imagine getting that kinda young talent to mix with our Young D core, Hank, Step, Hags, Cally, and HOPEFULLY Kreider and Miller.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Oct 21 @ 4:54 PM ET
When did they deal kids away?? Richards was dealt for what was the top prospect in hockey at the time and A young Wayne Simmonds and Carter was dealt for the 7th overall pick and a young Jackub Vochek. While building the team around a young Giroux. That's where the comparison should stop as they started spending money like drunk sailors.

Imagine getting that kinda young talent to mix with our Young D core, Hank, Step, Hags, Cally, and HOPEFULLY Kreider and Miller.

- mrhattrick27



I wasn't suggesting the Flyers did that; I am just saying I don't want the Rangers to go that route.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 4:56 PM ET
I wasn't suggesting the Flyers did that; I am just saying I don't want the Rangers to go that route.
- MidnightMarauder

If they are in deep by January they might have too.
Iamnumber27
New York Rangers
Location: Nash is the Rangers Crosby
Joined: 10.06.2010

Oct 21 @ 4:57 PM ET
I was more making the point of it being ridiculous to discuss just wanting something as if just stating "I would like a lot of money" without saying ok, here is my business plan for obtaining a lot of money. Just saying "I want a franchise player" doesn't add any value to the conversation.
- mrhattrick27



It's like you and tom tom read only what you want to read. Much like the Rangers roster... I don't see a winner here.
WayneY
New York Rangers
Location: WayneZ is inferior to WayneY (
Joined: 08.29.2010

Oct 21 @ 5:04 PM ET


It's like you and tom tom read only what you want to read. Much like the Rangers roster... I don't see a winner here.

- Iamnumber27

You honestly sound like a child calling people n00bs and dorks and tom tom and all these kiddy names. Grow up and talk hockey civilly jesus not everyone is going to agree with every word you say
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Oct 21 @ 5:06 PM ET
Cat calls in stadiums don't count. Potvin obviously doesn't suck and neither does Brodeur.

...he did f*ck his sister in-law though so that is fair game.

- MidnightMarauder


So what, Marty and his wife were already separated when that happened?
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Oct 21 @ 5:09 PM ET
it was over 5 years ago, washed up over rated garbage, Patrick Roy is the greatest, no debate
- cranford93


Sorry, but outside of career playoff wins Marty beats Roy in every statistical category....but let's just throw away the numbers so you can make your point.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 5:11 PM ET
You honestly sound like a child calling people n00bs and dorks and tom tom and all these kiddy names. Grow up and talk hockey civilly jesus not everyone is going to agree with every word you say
- WayneY

Don't worry about it. We as fans of the team can talk civilly. We as a group may not always agree but at least we can act like human beings. Take the Kreider topic for example. Some people like Pete believe he on a line where he may never figure it out. TPC and I think he still can be the top 6 player for this team.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 5:14 PM ET
Sorry, but outside of career playoff wins Marty beats Roy in every statistical category....but let's just throw away the numbers so you can make your point.
- Crushers68

Regular season Marty is 2nd to none. Roy does have 1 more cup and the 2 conn smythes.
Iamnumber27
New York Rangers
Location: Nash is the Rangers Crosby
Joined: 10.06.2010

Oct 21 @ 5:16 PM ET
You honestly sound like a child calling people n00bs and dorks and tom tom and all these kiddy names. Grow up and talk hockey civilly jesus not everyone is going to agree with every word you say
- WayneY

So, why? You miss the point too. There is NOTHING to agree with.

My original comment, a throw away line, at the end of a comment about how even though the proposed roster for 2014/15 was better than this current lot, I was still doubtful about it being successful. A Crosby on the team, isn't just a franchise player, it's someone you can be proud of because of consistent, reliable production. When in the last 5 years have I been able to be proud of a player (other than a goalie) wearing the Rangers jersey. I Haven't. I want a guy that when I know he is taking the ice, I am going to see something special. But Crosby isn't the only guy, there are a number of teams that have players that I'd want to watch and yes, there are teams like the rangers that don't have them either. Saying I want one 'haha' seems like a pretty minor thing to say, but when taken out of context by TomTom, and others wanting a full financial plan when saying they want to win the lottery, give me a break! THAT is ridiculous.

Why do you feel like I need to grow up? Just to conform? Not everyone is going to agree with you OR act they way you want. I am a big kid heart and there are too many uptight jerks getting too serious over sport. A sport. And you want me to grow up. Wow.

jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 21 @ 5:22 PM ET
Regular season Marty is 2nd to none. Roy does have 1 more cup and the 2 conn smythes.
- tomburton99


the '86 Cup, don't think a goalie ever won a Cup for a team more than Roy did.

He was insane. That's back in the era when team's used to score goals, Vanbiesbrouck won the Vezina that year with a 3.32 GAA.

Roy's GAA in the playoffs was a 1.92.
tbreinold
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.14.2007

Oct 21 @ 5:22 PM ET
Sorry, but outside of career playoff wins Marty beats Roy in every statistical category....but let's just throw away the numbers so you can make your point.
- Crushers68



No disrespect to Brodeur, as Jimbo said earlier, you have to look long and hard to find any flaw in his game and numbers wise he is the greatest goalie ever to play, but being someone who watched both of them play, I always thought Roy was a better goalie. I think my opinion stems from the time frame they played in. Roy was playing against both Lemieux and Gretzky in their prime. My opinion, that's all.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 5:23 PM ET
the '86 Cup, don't think a goalie ever won a Cup for a team more than Roy did.

He was insane. That's back in the era when team's used to score goals, Vanbiesbrouck won the Vezina that year with a 3.32 GAA.

Roy's GAA in the playoffs was a 1.92.

- jimbro83

I'll take your word for it. Goalies that have 3.32 GAA now are considered average at best.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Oct 21 @ 5:23 PM ET
I thought Reinhart would go first this year. I feel lots of players will get granted exceptional player status now that its a new standard. Will any of them really be exceptional players? Who knows probably Mcdavid though but the Crosby comparison is a bit much.
- mighty13duck


McDavid will be an exceptional player, no doubt in my mind. The things he did last year as a 15 year old in the OHL. and this year as a 16 year old, are unbelievable. It's impossible to tell whether he will ever be as good as Crosby, but when you compare the two at 15-16 years old, McDavid is every bit as good as Crosby was.

And as for exceptional player status, they need to be careful not to grant it if they think that doing so is going to get some poor 15 year old kid killed. Ekblad was clearly deserving of it as well.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 21 @ 5:27 PM ET
McDavid will be an exceptional player, no doubt in my mind. The things he did last year as a 15 year old in the OHL. and this year as a 16 year old, are unbelievable. It's impossible to tell whether he will ever be as good as Crosby, but when you compare the two at 15-16 years old, McDavid is every bit as good as Crosby was.

And as for exceptional player status, they need to be careful not to grant it if they think that doing so is going to get some poor 15 year old kid killed. Ekblad was clearly deserving of it as well.

- Pete V

Sean Day was granted exceptional status this year, he's also a defenseman.
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