Guys like OEL, Justin Schultz proof of that. Just get it through.
- Iggysbff

The Midget team I was coaching found that out big time. Far more effective.

Yeah...pretty much in terms of how fans will treat him after he signs this monsterous contract, and the fact he'll lose all of his trade value after signing an uncap friendly contract.
- ThePresident

Ok. But.

Phaneuf >>>>>>>> McCabe.

Dude, next years cap means cahnges, and getting fraser and franson at the rates they did only delayed the inevitable. And the additions, while I will enjoy this season have put then right at the cap. Whats the bet? That they get under? They will, but someones gone, maybe its franson and or fraser, maybe it's someone else.
- aminnes

oh Fraser is absolutely gone, and nobody should give a rats ass. If a 6th-7th dman is any good, he prices himself out of the position after 2-3 years.

MacWilliam or Granberg will take his spot for less $$ next season. And Percy probably makes the jump too.

Ok. But.

Phaneuf >>>>>>>> McCabe.
- peddy-93

lol by a long ways

Ok. But.

Phaneuf >>>>>>>> McCabe.
- peddy-93

But is he better than Aki-Peteri Berg?

Reimer starting tonight.

Anyone hear anything regarding Lupul?

Anyone know if Kulemin and/or Fraser are eligible to return yet? They are apparently participating in full practice, just curious if their LTIR requirements have been met.

Ok. But.

Phaneuf >>>>>>>> McCabe.
- peddy-93

Not disputing that....but Phaneuf is not worth 7 per for 7 years....massive overpayment.

Not disputing that....but Phaneuf is not worth 7 per for 7 years....massive overpayment.
- ThePresident

GET HIM!!

This is the perfect statement.

Not to get into it, but for all the bozak bashing, grabo and weiss have been absolutely AWFUL and all those guys do is offense. Sometimes your options are limited. Dion would be missed, and i love when ppl say 'he's not worth that'. Why? Because as a hockey fan who has zero insight into NHL negotiations you think that? Awesome.
- clark_griswold

Grabo has 5 goals and 10 pts in 12 games, he's +2, and is 52% on faceoffs.

I wish Bozak could be that aweful

Again, as long as they keep winning, who cares what they pay him.

Not disputing that....but Phaneuf is not worth 7 per for 7 years....massive overpayment.
- ThePresident

They're in a stage where they want to win NOW and also build for the future, no matter which way you look at it, Phaneuf helps us win NOW and that's what they believe in. There's no beating around the bush with this.

Reimer starting tonight.

Anyone hear anything regarding Lupul?

Anyone know if Kulemin and/or Fraser are eligible to return yet? They are apparently participating in full practice, just curious if their LTIR requirements have been met.
- vermie22

They are eligible to come off ltir(10 games or 24 days). Both have missed the 10 days.

It's a matter of being physically ready now. They've been sksting for a couple days now do they're close

Grabo has 5 goals and 10 pts in 12 games, he's +2, and is 52% on faceoffs.

I wish Bozak could be that aweful


- Big_Lightnin

Did he not have 4 points in one game, take that out, and it is not great.

oh Fraser is absolutely gone, and nobody should give a rats ass. If a 6th-7th dman is any good, he prices himself out of the position after 2-3 years.

MacWilliam or Granberg will take his spot for less $$ next season. And Percy probably makes the jump too.
- Big_Lightnin

Really excited about Percy. Such a smart, smart, simple dman. Rarely see him making any major mistake in our own end.

They're in a stage where they want to win NOW and also build for the future, no matter which way you look at it, Phaneuf helps us win NOW and that's what they believe in. There's no beating around the bush with this.
- peddy-93

So you want this guy making 7 million dollars as a 37 year old defender....the term is ridiculous.

Reimer starting tonight.

Anyone hear anything regarding Lupul?

Anyone know if Kulemin and/or Fraser are eligible to return yet? They are apparently participating in full practice, just curious if their LTIR requirements have been met.
- vermie22

Both are eligible to return as of today I believe. both have missed 10 games.

Did he not have 4 points in one game, take that out, and it is not great.
- bixll

1G, 3 A assists in 1st game.

2G, 4pts in last 4 games.

Again... I wish Bozak could be that awful...

Did he not have 4 points in one game, take that out, and it is not great.
- bixll

He earned those 4 points so you cant just take it out. Bozak won't get 4 points in a game, he didn't even get a single point when Kessel and JVR combined for 5.

Not disputing that....but Phaneuf is not worth 7 per for 7 years....massive overpayment.
- ThePresident

There are plenty of teams that would do that, so no.


But just FYI, that 7mil was his asking price.... The start of negotiation. You can bet it comes in below 7mil.

4 assists in 1 game.

so just 5 goals in his last 10 games. Again... I wish Bozak could be that awful...
- Big_Lightnin

I wish Ballsak would disappear, but whatever.

He earned those 4 points so you cant just take it out. Bozak won't get 4 points in a game, he didn't even get a single point when Kessel and JVR combined for 5.
- peddy-93

Oh well, if that is the biggest thing we have to female dog about, and we are winning..

I'll take it.

So you want this guy making 7 million dollars as a 37 year old defender....the term is ridiculous.
- ThePresident

It's the market now, you can't control that.

You either lose Phaneuf for nothing, or pay up. Right now, Leafs need and want him, so they're going to pay up. As long as they do they're best to keep the # as low as possible.

He earned those 4 points so you cant just take it out. Bozak won't get 4 points in a game, he didn't even get a single point when Kessel and JVR combined for 5.
- peddy-93

exactly.

Best games don't count! Just like when Grabo has a career year and Bozak again puts up pedestrian numbers despite elite minutes and linemates, it won't count.

not trying to start this argument again, but those slamming Grabo in complete contradiction to the facts really look stupid.

Did you see the interview where JVR said he didnt even know what corsi was? Its irrrelevant to the players that actually play the game. It seems to be used by fans so they can argue over dumb things.
- TonkaPhaneuf

So because a player doesn't know what it is, it's meaningless?

There are plenty of teams that would do that, so no.


But just FYI, that 7mil was his asking price.... The start of negotiation. You can bet it comes in below 7mil.
- burn

I believe he signs for similar dollars that he has now.

I think he wants to stay here, so they'll negotiate it at around 6.5 again.