If anyone cares, Schenn's getting ripped on TSN.ca for his carelessness stick swinging that took Teemu out. Guess Schenn should have used The Force stop stop Etem from shoving it right into Teemu's face.
- jmatchett383

I HATE PEOPLE!
It's so obvious Schenn didn't do it.
Ugh!

If anyone cares, Schenn's getting ripped on TSN.ca for his carelessness stick swinging that took Teemu out. Guess Schenn should have used The Force stop stop Etem from shoving it right into Teemu's face.
- jmatchett383

I don't.

they've been close a number of times. unfortunately, they've faced budding dynasties and had a laundry list of injuries often at the same time. witness: 76 habs, 80 islanders, 85-87 oilers, 97 red wings, and 10 blackhawks. it's not like the hurricanes facing edmonton in 2006. it's nothing short of insanely bad timing, and despite all of that, they were competitive and could have won all of those series with the exception of detroit. other years they've gotten to the semis and not advanced it's been a similar situation. if they had won a cup in the 80s and another somewhere in the 90s or 00s when they were extremely competitive, everyone would be happy.

right now they seem to have gone backwards, when they could have exercised a little more patience with some players. losing pronger and not replacing him has also been a hindrance. hopefully, they'll just keep developing the core and the prospects and see where it goes. if mason truly rebounds they've got the net sewn up for several years and that would be a massive building block. patience. patience. patience.
- hammarby31

You got it. Combination of bad timing running into the dynasties, as well as the constant injuries have thwarted a few Cups.

2000 is still the toughest pill to swallow for me. As soon as Stevens hit Lindros season was over. They beat the Stars in the Finals with a healthy 88.

2004 sucked too. I believe they would have beaten Calgary. Oh well not meant to be.

You got it. Combination of bad timing running into the dynasties, as well as the constant injuries have thwarted a few Cups.

2000 is still the toughest pill to swallow for me. As soon as Stevens hit Lindros season was over. They beat the Stars in the Finals with a healthy 88.

2004 sucked too. I believe they would have beaten Calgary. Oh well not meant to be.
- PLindbergh31

i agree they would have won both of those finals in 00 and 04 - the non-dynasty teams, but injuries hurt them both times. my point is that with all of the moves, they've been close so many times...it just hasn't panned out. but since 2005 it seems like they've been operating without much of a long-term plan, or at least not had the patience to stick to that plan. granted, this has occurred at the same time as the birth of the salary cap, and the whole league has changed since then. it's not a surprise to me to see this kind of dart throwing in this environment on top of all the near misses, tragedies, and aging passionate owner. it makes perfect sense actually.

i agree they would have won both of those finals in 00 and 04 - the non-dynasty teams, but injuries hurt them both times. my point is that with all of the moves, they've been close so many times...it just hasn't panned out. but since 2005 it seems like they've been operating without much of a long-term plan, or at least not had the patience to stick to that plan. granted, this has occurred at the same time as the birth of the salary cap, and the whole league has changed since then. it's not a surprise to me to see this kind of dart throwing in this environment on top of all the near misses, tragedies, and aging passionate owner. it makes perfect sense actually.
- hammarby31

They just cant operate efficiently in a cap environment. They've been an average team at best since 2005

They forechecked with one forward and sat back and clogged the neutral zone, and the Flyers played right into it. It was a classic 1-2-2. You can see it plain as day on the Cogliano goal in the 2nd period.
- MJL

I'm pretty sure on the Cogliano goal, 2 of the players were leaving the zone to tag up and curling back in. they weren't back in a 1-2-2 per se. it all happened on the fly. as a matter of fact 3 were at the blue line when the dman threw the puck up to the Flyers zone

They just cant operate efficiently in a cap environment. They've been an average team at best since 2005
- Just5

i see this period as being generally better than average. i don't count last year. right now, they're trending in the wrong direction. they can help themselves by being patient here. i think there's a mindset overhaul that needs to take place, and that includes wasting drafting picks on guys like klotz and ghoulborne or whatever the (frank) his name is and signing guys like rosemont.

Wow. Someone needs a hug. Giving should be spontaneous. That forced attitude taints Christmas but it shouldn't destroy it!
As I've aged I'd come to realize that I value those people who can make the world around them a better place. Not those who go out of their way to fix broken things but those who influence the lives of others in a positive way all the time and all year long. Christmas is when people try and do that. I try and surround myself with people who do it all year long.
- FlyersGrace

Me too. That's why I love my dogs. People blow.

I'm pretty sure on the Cogliano goal, 2 of the players were leaving the zone to tag up and curling back in. they weren't back in a 1-2-2 per se. it all happened on the fly. as a matter of fact 3 were at the blue line when the dman threw the puck up to the Flyers zone
- nastyflyergirl

that's exactly right. there were also 3 flyers in the area where the puck battle was lost along the boards iirc.

I HATE PEOPLE!
It's so obvious Schenn didn't do it.
Ugh!
- FlyersGrace

apparently teemu needed 40 stitches and is going back to anaheim for surgery. yikes.

They just cant operate efficiently in a cap environment. They've been an average team at best since 2005
- Just5

They've made the playoffs 8 out of 10 years. They've made it to 2 ECFs and 1 SCF. They've made it to the second round of the playoffs 4 times. Obviously the only goal that matters is winning the Stanley Cup and murdering James Neal, which they've yet to do. But still, that's more "consistent" than Chicago has been. I'd call them above average if anything. They can operate in the environment, but they need a plan to stick with as opposed to constant bandaiding.

i see this period as being generally better than average. i don't count last year. right now, they're trending in the wrong direction. they can help themselves by being patient here. i think there's a mindset overhaul that needs to take place, and that includes wasting drafting picks on guys like klotz and ghoulborne or whatever the (frank) his name is and signing guys like rosemont.
- hammarby31

Prepare yourself for years of floundering until a certain person seizes to exist. The one person that can make that call has no interest in it.

that's exactly right. there were also 3 flyers in the area where the puck battle was lost along the boards iirc.
- hammarby31

I recall 2 Flyers D men in their own zone. Not sure where the forwards were. The Ducks got the puck in their zone and the dman passed it up. I know 2 Ducks were in the Flyers zone and Getzlaf was just outside of the zone. the two Ducks cleared the zone to tag and immediately curled back in all while Getzlaf was intercepting the weak clear by Grossmann. Wasn't a typical 1-2-2.

I will have to dig up the replay to be sure

I don't.
- 77rams

Me either. It's TSN. For all the self agrandizing Canadians do about how hockey savy they are they're just as stupid about their home grown sport as any American talking head is about baseball and football. They obviously hire most of these guys for their looks and their personality rather than their ability to follow and evaluate the game.

I used to like the NHLNetwork when they had on the losers in the closet. Those were good shows. Now they moved them to a studio and hired numbskulls. It started with Kevin Weeks and it's just gotten worse. Kathryn Tappen, Kevin Weeks, Kelly Chase, Mike Johnson, Jamie McLennan... pffft!

They've made the playoffs 8 out of 10 years. They've made it to 2 ECFs and 1 SCF. They've made it to the second round of the playoffs 4 times. Obviously the only goal that matters is winning the Stanley Cup and murdering James Neal, which they've yet to do. But still, that's more "consistent" than Chicago has been. I'd call them above average if anything. They can operate in the environment, but they need a plan to stick with as opposed to constant bandaiding.
- jmatchett383

Forget about stanley cup. The feeling of winning a champ lasts 1 moment, just like winning any other game but more intense. What most people want the Cup for is bragging rights for a year. To me, it is much more important to get back to winning hockey games and playing entertaining games. I much prefer watching a winning team, then watching a losing team.

i see this period as being generally better than average. i don't count last year. right now, they're trending in the wrong direction. they can help themselves by being patient here. i think there's a mindset overhaul that needs to take place, and that includes wasting drafting picks on guys like klotz and ghoulborne or whatever the (frank) his name is and signing guys like rosemont.
- hammarby31

and stop trading draft picks for veterans. that above all makes me crazy. I didn't mind the picks for Grossmann because he was/is still relatively young. Kubina I hated then and hate it more now.

Reading through the first few pages, it seems esentially everyone is getting blame on this team, to some degree, which they do deserve to.

The one thing I havent heard mentioned once is management. The biggest consistency for years now, and the big wig crew that put together this sack of poop on ice.

It starts at the top, with Holmgren/Snider's ass. They have screwed this team into cap hell, been horrible with cap management, made stupid deals and left two coaches now, without the weapons needed to compete at an NHL level.

Its frustrating to say the least. Management is the #1 issue to me, they built this poop.

Reading through the first few pages, it seems esentially everyone is getting blame on this team, to some degree, which they do deserve to.

The one thing I havent heard mentioned once is management. The biggest consistency for years now, and the big wig crew that put together this sack of poop on ice.

It starts at the top, with Holmgren/Snider's ass.
- flyer_nutter

you should just go ahead and make this your location already

i see this period as being generally better than average. i don't count last year. right now, they're trending in the wrong direction. they can help themselves by being patient here. i think there's a mindset overhaul that needs to take place, and that includes wasting drafting picks on guys like klotz and ghoulborne or whatever the (frank) his name is and signing guys like rosemont.
- hammarby31

I think you need to give Goulbourne a chance. He isn't Garret Klotz. The kid can play. He's a 3rd rounder so it is what it is.

you should just go ahead and make this your location already
- Crimsoninja

We all have our drums we like to beat

Edit: Sometimes its good to listen to other fans. Of diffent teams to be specific. Say what you will about the Flyers being hated, but I am pretty damn sure Holmgren is thought of as a moron around the league. He started out hot, with a bunch of cap space, but doesnt know how to function/build properly in a cap enviroment.

Most expensive D in the NHL, cant even roll a 4th line. The line goes on and on.

Me either. It's TSN. For all the self agrandizing Canadians do about how hockey savy they are they're just as stupid about their home grown sport as any American talking head is about baseball and football. They obviously hire most of these guys for their looks and their personality rather than their ability to follow and evaluate the game.

I used to like the NHLNetwork when they had on the losers in the closet. Those were good shows. Now they moved them to a studio and hired numbskulls. It started with Kevin Weeks and it's just gotten worse. Kathryn Tappen, Kevin Weeks, Kelly Chase, Mike Johnson, Jamie McLennan... pffft!
- mayorofangrytown

You lay off of Legs Tappen.

Forget about stanley cup. The feeling of winning a champ lasts 1 moment, just like winning any other game but more intense. What most people want the Cup for is bragging rights for a year. To me, it is much more important to get back to winning hockey games and playing entertaining games. I much prefer watching a winning team, then watching a losing team.
- youarewrong

To me, the Cup is one of those "bucket list" moments. Maybe it's because I was born on the day the Sixers won the 83 championship and all I've ever seen in the 2008 Phillies (and had to miss the parade), but I just need to see a team that I love lift the Stanley Cup before I die. After that, the list is all crossed off (own care, own house, have kid - 1 coming in a week, Flyers win Cup).

I think you need to give Goulbourne a chance. He isn't Garret Klotz. The kid can play. He's a 3rd rounder so it is what it is.
- mayorofangrytown

I thought this was interesting:

"Goulbourne was ranked 151st amongst North American skaters in Central Scouting's final rankings and was selected by Philadelphia in the third round (151st overall) of the 2013 NHL Draft."

Apparently there are 151+ picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

You lay off of Legs Tappen.
- jmatchett383

Her thoroughly glued hair and big teeth make me nuts.

They've made the playoffs 8 out of 10 years. They've made it to 2 ECFs and 1 SCF. They've made it to the second round of the playoffs 4 times. Obviously the only goal that matters is winning the Stanley Cup and murdering James Neal, which they've yet to do. But still, that's more "consistent" than Chicago has been. I'd call them above average if anything. They can operate in the environment, but they need a plan to stick with as opposed to constant bandaiding.
- jmatchett383

I've never felt like they were a serious contender in any of these years. Obviously in 2010 they were fortunate to have a lot of breaks go their way, injuries, matchups, etc.

It's nice to make the playoffs, more teams than not make the playoffs in the NHL. The San Diego Chargers have had one losing season since 2003. What do you make of them?