It's not lost here...but if it's a team for the future, why sign Streit? Why sign Lecavalier? You can say that it's a team for the future all you want, but the expectations of the owner and GM are to contend now.

I agree with handing Laviolette his share of the blame. But it's becoming real evident that this team, as constructed, isn't very good. There's talent, for sure, but it's either not producing or not meshing well and leading to team success.

The plan changes on whims. They sign guys to massive, long term deals and then they are traded away within a year or two. The reason people joke about guys signing new deals with the Flyers should expect to be traded is because it's got a lot of validity. Richards, Carter, JvR all signed 6+ year extensions within 2 years of being traded away. That's really not sticking to a plan.

The result has been a team getting progressively worse, and one that is forever making quick fixes to shore things up, rather than actually planning out the process.
- Jsaquella

You sign Streit and Lecavalier because you need veterans to help young player along. You want to try and create a winning environment for a team, to build to the point of being a true contender when younger players mature. What good team in the NHL doesn't have a mix of young and veteran players? We read time and time again how good Jagr was for this team. His influence and leadership, how he was a role model for the younger players. Why shouldn't they add good veteran players to help make the team better and add leadership? They're not quick fixes. And if the Flyers didn't add Streit and Lecavalier, and they struggled. I'm quite sure that we'd read criticism of Holmgren for leaving the team short of veteran players and leadership. I also disagree that the plan changes on a whim. They've kept the young core that they're building around for how many Seasons now? Just because they've supplemented that core with a few veteran free agents, doesn't mean they changing direction. You can build a team for the future, and also try to win and make the playoffs at the same time. Look at every team that is considered young and upcoming. They all have veterans to support the young core. I view this team as a team that is heading forward, not backwards. Last Season and how the team is playing currently, are just bumps in the road. Time will tell if I'm right or not. And more importantly, if the core Holmgren has put together will amount to anything.

jvr with a shortie tonight for his 7th.
- Briere

I say we turn the tables and put Luke on the 1st PP unit

woah

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- ob18

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I say we turn the tables and put Luke on the 1st PP unit
- Just5

Start playing him on the wing. Send a message that says "are you better than JVR? Prove it or get lost."

I'll never forget how upset my buddy was when the Flyers traded for Pronger. "He is old as hell, what one or two good years left?"

And that's just it, they made their bed with that trade, missed on a Cup, and now were in the cellar wondering how to get out.
- Just5

I blame them for Pronger getting sticked in the eye also!

Varlamov arrested on domestic violence charges.

It's not lost here...but if it's a team for the future, why sign Streit? Why sign Lecavalier? You can say that it's a team for the future all you want, but the expectations of the owner and GM are to contend now.

I agree with handing Laviolette his share of the blame. But it's becoming real evident that this team, as constructed, isn't very good. There's talent, for sure, but it's either not producing or not meshing well and leading to team success.

The plan changes on whims. They sign guys to massive, long term deals and then they are traded away within a year or two. The reason people joke about guys signing new deals with the Flyers should expect to be traded is because it's got a lot of validity. Richards, Carter, JvR all signed 6+ year extensions within 2 years of being traded away. That's really not sticking to a plan.

The result has been a team getting progressively worse, and one that is forever making quick fixes to shore things up, rather than actually planning out the process.
- Jsaquella

i didn't even get into all of this in my post about reasons not to trust the management moving forward.

You sign Streit and Lecavalier because you need veterans to help young player along. You want to try and create a winning environment for a team, to build to the point of being a true contender when younger players mature. What good team in the NHL doesn't have a mix of young and veteran players? We read time and time again how good Jagr was for this team. His influence and leadership, how he was a role model for the younger players. Why shouldn't they add good veteran players to help make the team better and add leadership? They're not quick fixes. And if the Flyers didn't add Streit and Lecavalier, and they struggled. I'm quite sure that we'd read criticism of Holmgren for leaving the team short of veteran players and leadership. I also disagree that the plan changes on a whim. They've kept the young core that they're building around for how many Seasons now? Just because they've supplemented that core with a few veteran free agents, doesn't mean they changing direction. You can build a team for the future, and also try to win and make the playoffs at the same time. Look at every team that is considered young and upcoming. They all have veterans to support the young core. I view this team as a team that is heading forward, not backwards. Last Season and how the team is playing currently, are just bumps in the road. Time will tell if I'm right or not. And more importantly, if the core Holmgren has put together will amount to anything.
- MJL

big difference with jagr in respect to money and length of contract.

They went from the first lockout, and a Season where they were last overall, to the Cup Finals in 2010. The GM then decided to make a radical change that they knew would take some time. And went with some young players to try and make it better for the future. Certainly there are some current growing pains, but I think some patience is warranted. I understand the current frustration. But I think this team is going to come out of it.
- MJL

big difference with jagr in respect to money and length of contract.
- Briere

Good point. But there's no reason to believe that both Streit and Lecavalier can't be good players for the Flyers for the next 4-5 Seasons.

Mew Nood?

New Mood?

Good point. But there's no reason to believe that both Streit and Lecavalier can be good players for the Flyers for the next 4-5 Seasons.
- MJL

i sincerely hope you are right.

assuming you meant "cant be..."

I blame them for Pronger getting sticked in the eye also!
- MJL

I would argue that a 28 yoa Pronger is playing after sustaining that injury. The injury has everything to do with him playing the league for so many years and sustaining previous concussions. No one can say that they saw this injury coming, but my friend had a point, b/c ultimately when you sign a 35 yoa player, you are at greater risk for a disaster like that, and you are 100% signing a declining player.

You sign Streit and Lecavalier because you need veterans to help young player along. You want to try and create a winning environment for a team, to build to the point of being a true contender when younger players mature. What good team in the NHL doesn't have a mix of young and veteran players? We read time and time again how good Jagr was for this team. His influence and leadership, how he was a role model for the younger players. Why shouldn't they add good veteran players to help make the team better and add leadership? They're not quick fixes. And if the Flyers didn't add Streit and Lecavalier, and they struggled. I'm quite sure that we'd read criticism of Holmgren for leaving the team short of veteran players and leadership. I also disagree that the plan changes on a whim. They've kept the young core that they're building around for how many Seasons now? Just because they've supplemented that core with a few veteran free agents, doesn't mean they changing direction. You can build a team for the future, and also try to win and make the playoffs at the same time. Look at every team that is considered young and upcoming. They all have veterans to support the young core. I view this team as a team that is heading forward, not backwards. Last Season and how the team is playing currently, are just bumps in the road. Time will tell if I'm right or not. And more importantly, if the core Holmgren has put together will amount to anything.
- MJL

JvR wasn't part of the young core, post Richards and Carter? He got traded a year after signing a 6 year extension.

I'm not saying that vets are a bad idea, or that they shouldn't sign them to supplement the young core, I am saying that you don't go out and sign a guy like Lecavalier when your primary concern is the future.

I'm sure they didn't sell Lecavalier on Philly by telling him that they were a young team that was focused on the future.

i sincerely hope you are right.

assuming you meant "cant be..."
- Briere

Yea, I edited it!

i didn't even get into all of this in my post about reasons not to trust the management moving forward.
- hammarby31

I find it so bizarre that all of the philly teams (sixers don't count) really had something good going and managed to trash it with each team. Andy Reid was here way too long, Amaro has never been a good GM and (frank)ed up a championship team with his poop moves, and Homer can't help but trade a core player every 2 years.

Just getting tired of the Flyers' bullpoop. I can deal with rebuilding, but it's hard to become attached to any player when anyone has a chance of being moved out at any time due to the front office's impulsiveness.

50 more games until the trade deadline. Big divisional game this Friday.

Mew Nood?

New Mood?
- Flyskippy

The sky is falling
Show some patience
Bad mix of dmen
Blame Holmgren
No, blame Snider

We now return to our regularly scheduled program

The sky is falling
Show some patience
Bad mix of dmen
Blame Holmgren
No, blame Snider

We now return to our regularly scheduled program
- BiggE

I thought that WAS our regularly scheduled program.



*goes off to give the 4-month old a bath*

I would argue that a 28 yoa Pronger is playing after sustaining that injury. The injury has everything to do with him playing the league for so many years and sustaining previous concussions. No one can say that they saw this injury coming, but my friend had a point, b/c ultimately when you sign a 35 yoa player, you are at greater risk for a disaster like that, and you are 100% signing a declining player.
- Just5

You'd be making a ridiculous argument. Pronger isn't medically cleared and is still dealing with symptoms. His age has nothing to do with that. A 23 year old Pronger sustaining the same injury wouldn't be playing, nor would a 28 year old.

Yes, Pronger was certainly in decline, but he was still an elite level defenseman, and scoring at nearly a PPG pace when he got hurt.

I thought that WAS our regularly scheduled program.



*goes off to give the 4-month old a bath*
- Flyskippy

Washing the kid? He can't wash himself yet?

JvR wasn't part of the young core, post Richards and Carter? He got traded a year after signing a 6 year extension.

I'm not saying that vets are a bad idea, or that they shouldn't sign them to supplement the young core, I am saying that you don't go out and sign a guy like Lecavalier when your primary concern is the future.

I'm sure they didn't sell Lecavalier on Philly by telling him that they were a young team that was focused on the future.
- Jsaquella

They didn't trade JVR for a veteran. They traded JVR for a young promising defenseman that is now part of the young core. I disagree that you don't go out and sign a player like Lecavalier when your primary concern is the future. They signed him for 5 years. No reason why he can't be a big part of the future. I doubt they had to make a sales pitch to Lecavalier. He's not dumb, he knows the deal and where the Flyers are at.

I find it so bizarre that all of the philly teams (sixers don't count) really had something good going and managed to trash it with each team. Andy Reid was here way too long, Amaro has never been a good GM and (frank)ed up a championship team with his poop moves, and Homer can't help but trade a core player every 2 years.

Just getting tired of the Flyers' bullpoop. I can deal with rebuilding, but it's hard to become attached to any player when anyone has a chance of being moved out at any time due to the front office's impulsiveness.
- feelingkettle

That's my biggest issue. Guys sign a contract, look like they're going to be a key piece moving forward and then a year later they're traded away.

It's extremely frustrating.

I would argue that a 28 yoa Pronger is playing after sustaining that injury. The injury has everything to do with him playing the league for so many years and sustaining previous concussions. No one can say that they saw this injury coming, but my friend had a point, b/c ultimately when you sign a 35 yoa player, you are at greater risk for a disaster like that, and you are 100% signing a declining player.
- Just5

I would stop listening to that friend. Taking a stick to the eye that caused a concussion and PCS had zero to do with how old Pronger was. And I think you'd be making a silly argument.

If the team decides to blow it up and Nashville decides to play ball with the FLyers would either team do:

L.Schenn, B. Schenn, Morin and and 2015 1st rd pick for Weber?