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BernieKorch
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Shoey, PA
Joined: 07.24.2012

Oct 31 @ 1:47 PM ET
Stupid trade, now Holmgren needs to go.
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Oct 31 @ 1:47 PM ET
Talbot has two more years left on his deal. Perhaps with Downie, a pending UFA, Flyers liked cap flexibility moving forward..
- BingoLady


Only a 1.75 mil cap hit. Bad deal IMO...


PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 31 @ 1:47 PM ET
Talbot has two more years left on his deal. Perhaps with Downie, a pending UFA, Flyers liked cap flexibility moving forward..
- BingoLady


That can't be true. They don't understand the term cap flexibility.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 31 @ 1:47 PM ET
Not a bad deal... he's more of a viable top-9 forward than Talbot... a UFA at the end of the year... gonna miss Max, but not his contract.
- Tomahawk


...and that's the flip side of that. That's an accurate statement, too.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:48 PM ET
Okay!! Hands up.

Who thinks we just traded for the same 19 year old kid we traded away five years ago and that his game hasn't changed in those years?

- mayorofangrytown


Not me. Watching him in Tampa and Colorado, it looked to me that he has really improved and is a solid top 6 offensive forward.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:48 PM ET
Although I would want to hear the rationale behind the trade, I agree as much as Talbot is a fan favorite, he’s a replaceable role player. Downie, as long as he’s healthy can provide a little bit more offense and is younger. Also, Downie is UFA after this year versus how Talbot has 3 more years on his contract. Add into the fact that Downie is younger…this might be a good trade.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 31 @ 1:48 PM ET
Okay!! Hands up.

Who thinks we just traded for the same 19 year old kid we traded away five years ago and that his game hasn't changed in those years?

- mayorofangrytown


Who hasn't watched Downie since the Flyers traded him?
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 31 @ 1:48 PM ET
...and that's the flip side of that. That's an accurate statement, too.
- AllInForFlyers



You should be ecstatic... this means that Couturier's not going to be saddled w/ either Rinaldo and/or Talbot now.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 31 @ 1:49 PM ET
This is a great deal. Downie is a younger top 6 forward. Max is a 4th liner that hasn't been the same since his broken leg. Downie will provide a little more pop & worst case has an expiring contract.
- flyguy12


He's only played 11 games since breaking his leg...
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:49 PM ET
I want to preemptively congratulate Talbot on his next Stanley Cup.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 31 @ 1:50 PM ET
Interested to hear bills take. I have to imagine talbot was a big presence in the locker room.
BernieKorch
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Shoey, PA
Joined: 07.24.2012

Oct 31 @ 1:50 PM ET
Not a bad deal... he's more of a viable top-9 forward than Talbot... a UFA at the end of the year... gonna miss Max, but not his contract.
- Tomahawk



Downie is making $500,000 more than Talbot. talbot had a good deal!!
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:50 PM ET
Come on. You can find a way to rationalize it.
- PLindbergh31


funny, i just mentioned downie this morning. hmmm....
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 31 @ 1:51 PM ET
Although I would want to hear the rationale behind the trade, I agree as much as Talbot is a fan favorite, he’s a replaceable role player. Downie, as long as he’s healthy can provide a little bit more offense and is younger. Also, Downie is UFA after this year versus how Talbot has 3 more years on his contract. Add into the fact that Downie is younger…this might be a good trade.
- phi1671



Downie's going to help the PP, he has a history of being able to keep up with good linemates (Vinny knows him from Tampa), and nobody likes to play against him.

Talbot is the world's most likable guy, but he's not exactly the best hockey player in the world.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 31 @ 1:52 PM ET
Not a bad deal... he's more of a viable top-9 forward than Talbot... a UFA at the end of the year... gonna miss Max, but not his contract.
- Tomahawk



Downie makes $2,650,000 and is a UFA. I hate trading Talbot.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Oct 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
Not me. Watching him in Tampa and Colorado, it looked to me that he has really improved and is a solid top 6 offensive forward.
- Hextall271

Yeah, I was gonna say the same. Sure, he may still be volatile from time to time, but he's shown he can play some top 6 minutes and even has a 20-goal season to his name.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
Downie's going to help the PP, he has a history of being able to keep up with good linemates (Vinny knows him from Tampa), and nobody likes to play against him.

Talbot is the world's most likable guy, but he's not exactly the best hockey player in the world.

- Tomahawk


We can plug someone into the PK, but if we don't start scoring more consistently, we'll be out of the playoff picture in 2 weeks.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
Okay!! Hands up.

Who thinks we just traded for the same 19 year old kid we traded away five years ago and that his game hasn't changed in those years?

- mayorofangrytown

Not me.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
You should be ecstatic... this means that Couturier's not going to be saddled w/ either Rinaldo and/or Talbot now.
- Tomahawk


Ha! You know damn well I'm ecstatic about one thing: You can insert Steve Downie on any of those three lines, move somebody up or down, put Adam Hall back in as the 4C and not dress Jay Rosehill.

Maxime Talbot was a very good PKer, and he'll be missed in that role.

But Good Lord. This team needs more wingers who might score a freaking goal every once in a while than I need to learn how to post shorter.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
Downie makes $2,650,000 and is a UFA. I hate trading Talbot.
- nastyflyergirl



$2,650,000 for a real top-9 forward is good. $1,750,000 for 4th-liner is not.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
Yeah, I was gonna say the same. Sure, he may still be volatile from time to time, but he's shown he can play some top 6 minutes and even has a 20-goal season to his name.
- Flyers_V88


I like Talbot a lot, but the 2011-12 season was an anomaly when it came to him scoring.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 1:54 PM ET
Downie makes $2,650,000 and is a UFA. I hate trading Talbot.
- nastyflyergirl


What about if Downie plays well, we re sign him?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 31 @ 1:54 PM ET
I'm praying Downie plays with Rinaldo and Rosehill!

The Legion of Dumb

- PLindbergh31



that is excellent, but my 1st impression is that this is a good trade for us. downie is excellent along the boards and has a pretty good scoring touch...balances out the forwards. hall can do a lot of what max did.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 31 @ 1:55 PM ET
Not me. Watching him in Tampa and Colorado, it looked to me that he has really improved and is a solid top 6 offensive forward.
- Hextall271

You can immediately pick out the posters who only watch hockey on Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 31 @ 1:55 PM ET
What about if Downie plays well, we re sign him?
- Hextall271


To the Homer Special. 5 years full NTC and a week's vacation on Bernie's yacht.
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