At least 3 years away.
- ob18

Also, I see Morin as a big hit-or-miss type. I know this sounds weird, but IF he hits his potential, he's another Pronger-esque (or at least Phaneuf-esque) player. If he doesn't, I see him as an Andy Sutton-esque bottom-pair guy. Might sounds crazy, but it's my take. Or, he starts out as Andy Sutton and ends up as pronger as he matures a la Chara.

Also, I see Morin as a big hit-or-miss type. I know this sounds weird, but IF he hits his potential, he's another Pronger-esque (or at least Phaneuf-esque) player. If he doesn't, I see him as an Andy Sutton-esque bottom-pair guy. Might sounds crazy, but it's my take. Or, he starts out as Andy Sutton and ends up as pronger as he matures a la Chara.
- jmatchett383

So basically, he's a big unknown right now?

Or, he starts out as Andy Sutton and ends up as pronger as e matures a la Chara.
- jmatchett383

That is like winning the second lottery (the one where you turn your losing tickets in for a chance) after you've already lost the first one (draft)... odds not in your favor, but I still hold hope.

Please dont kill me for this. But what do you guys think about Brian Campbell? I know he is 34 with 3 years left on a huge Cap hit, but he is a number 1 d-man. I would not mind trading say Simmonds and Coburn for Campbell and FLA 1. Its going to be a good pick.....
- youarewrong

ive seen that movie play out too many times with the flyers.

So basically, he's a big unknown right now?
- funmaster18

Yep. Of all of the "big" names left, he has the most room for growth. A guy like Pulock (who I still would have taken) is a much safer pick. Morin's a guy who will either continue to grow or will become our second Lauridsen.

oh ok, I had talked about Kapanen and also Vasiliev so wasn't sure which you were talking about
- nastyflyergirl

Not enough time to watch all these prospects, need more hours in the day.

At least 3 years away.
- ob18

Are there any players drafted in the top 10 further away from being NHL ready than Morin?

Yep. Of all of the "big" names left, he has the most room for growth. A guy like Pulock (who I still would have taken) is a much safer pick. Morin's a guy who will either continue to grow or will become our second Lauridsen.
- jmatchett383

Based on his 30 seconds in the NHL during the preseason , I saw plenty to be excited about. Hopefully he continues to improve.

Are there any players drafted in the top 10 further away from being NHL ready than Morin?
- PLindbergh31

That doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is how good they are once they are there

That is like winning the second lottery (the one where you turn your losing tickets in for a chance) after you've already lost the first one (draft)... odds not in your favor, but I still hold hope.
- mikel33

It doesn't happen often. I mean, he was in the league for 5-6 years and seemed like nothing more than a big, physical, punishing defenseman. All of a sudden, he flipped a switch and became Chara the Norris Winner.

As much as I'm not a fan of Boston, seeing that hulking neanderthal swing the Stanley Cup around like it was a feather was hilarious to watch.

Also, I see Morin as a big hit-or-miss type. I know this sounds weird, but IF he hits his potential, he's another Pronger-esque (or at least Phaneuf-esque) player. If he doesn't, I see him as an Andy Sutton-esque bottom-pair guy. Might sounds crazy, but it's my take. Or, he starts out as Andy Sutton and ends up as pronger as he matures a la Chara.
- jmatchett383

I just hope they are patient with him. Not that any of them are/were world beaters but out of curiosity I looked up the Flyers "better" drafted dmen they didn't keep. Pitkanen played 282 games here and 253 elsewhere and while he has been hurt a lot, he did seem to develop better once he left. Seidenberg....92 games here, 500 elsewhere. I liked him when they had him and didn't get why they didn't keep him. Niinimaa 143 here, 598 elsewhere. Yuchkevich 197 here, 589 elsewhere. No point really to this. Just a curiosity. wow the Flyers really have not drafted too many good dmen huh

Are there any players drafted in the top 10 further away from being NHL ready than Morin?
- PLindbergh31

Yes. All of the ones who will never make the NHL.

I just hope they are patient with him. Not that any of them are/were world beaters but out of curiosity I looked up the Flyers "better" drafted dmen they didn't keep. Pitkanen played 282 games here and 253 elsewhere and while he has been hurt a lot, he did seem to develop better once he left. Seidenberg....92 games here, 500 elsewhere. I liked him when they had him and didn't get why they didn't keep him. Niinimaa 143 here, 598 elsewhere. Yuchkevich 197 here, 589 elsewhere. No point really to this. Just a curiosity. wow the Flyers really have not drafted too many good dmen huh
- nastyflyergirl

Their mentality, even in the early 90s, was to draft the best big, bruising forward and get defensemen/goalies via trades/FA. When Therien (good supplemental player) is one of your best, that says something.

Are there any players drafted in the top 10 further away from being NHL ready than Morin?
- PLindbergh31

Drouin, Nurse, & Nichushkin are in a similar time frame.

Gus back in per Bill and Rosehill looks like he is staying in.

Drouin, Nurse, & Nichushkin
- ob18

So pencil them in for 2017?

Also, I see Morin as a big hit-or-miss type. I know this sounds weird, but IF he hits his potential, he's another Pronger-esque (or at least Phaneuf-esque) player. If he doesn't, I see him as an Andy Sutton-esque bottom-pair guy. Might sounds crazy, but it's my take. Or, he starts out as Andy Sutton and ends up as pronger as he matures a la Chara.
- jmatchett383

I think the odds heavily favor him becoming a Bryan Allen/Mike Komisarek type of rangy defender with tools to contribute a bit offensively. Of course, he could be a bit better than that (meaner Tyler Myers), or a bit worse (Keith Aulie)... but the chances of him becoming a late-blooming Chara/Pronger are pretty small in comparison.

Gus back in per Bill and Rosehill looks like he is staying in.
- nastyflyergirl

I thought Meszaros played as well as anyone in that game minus Coburn and Mason. Very good, solid first period and then a slow, steady decline culminating is piss-poor play.

Their mentality, even in the early 90s, was to draft the best big, bruising forward and get defensemen/goalies via trades/FA. When Therien (good supplemental player) is one of your best, that says something.
- jmatchett383

their best home grown is probably Jim Watson. its really not good when you have to go back like 40 years to find your best.

Drouin, Nurse, & Nichushkin are in a similar time frame.
- ob18

Lindholm, Monohan...

I think the odds heavily favor him becoming a Bryan Allen/Mike Komisarek type of rangy defender with tools to contribute a bit offensively. Of course, he could be a bit better than that (meaner Tyler Myers), or a bit worse (Keith Aulie)... but the chances of him becoming a late-blooming Chara/Pronger are pretty small in comparison.
- Tomahawk

I agree, the Chara development is a rarity...I can't think of many other who start off as bottom-pair goons and develop into perennial Norris candidates.

A meaner Tyler Myers would be awesome. And if he becomes a pre-Lucic-breaking-his-face Komisarek, I'm okay with that too.

Are there any players drafted in the top 10 further away from being NHL ready than Morin?
- PLindbergh31

I get your point but honestly, I care more about who ends up being the best choice rather than how soon they will be here. Time will of course tell all

their best home grown is probably Jim Watson. its really not good when you have to go back like 40 years to find your best.
- nastyflyergirl

True, but the Bruins and Canadiens have to look even further back.

Their mentality, even in the early 90s, was to draft the best big, bruising forward and get defensemen/goalies via trades/FA. When Therien (good supplemental player) is one of your best, that says something.
- jmatchett383

But the fact they are drafting D men now says they are changing their plans a bit...and it will be a few years before it pans out...we finish in the top half of the leage almost every year, so you almost have to catch lightning in a bottle every year with your picks to not have a lot of guys that just won't crack the roster...otherwise, you end up like PIT, CHI, COL, CGY, and EDM who just suck for a while while they rebuild...Ed won't do that, he will put a competitive team on the ice and hope they gel for a long playoff run and get a hot goalie...if you make the playoffs, you have a chance...but your draft selction is not as optimal as you would like...

Gus back in per Bill and Rosehill looks like he is staying in.
- nastyflyergirl

good. now we can turn the day's commentary on the merits of rosemont again, and the fourth line in general, which has no bearing on the outcome of a game, and its importance or lack thereof is overblown.