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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 31 @ 11:06 PM ET
I think we really only saw rage from a couple of posters. One had some legitimate reasons. The other was just rambling on.
- MJL


Such a (frank)ing moron bud. Couldn't stay off too long for ignoring my posts hey? Passive aggressive little female dog. Even after all those sappy Pm's you sent my way?

Why is that? Too many others ignoring your BS on here?

(frank)ing joke son... You give the site hits, and its gives you immunity. Rock on sunshine.

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 31 @ 11:07 PM ET
I give Homer all the credit in the world. If Pronger is still healthy, this is a completely different team. If he lands any of Weber, Suter or Parise, this is a completely different team. He tried to patch the holes, it just hasn't worked out, partly because bodies weren't available after those failed attempts.

That being said, every GM runs his course and comes to the end. Unless this season turns around, Homer's is probably coming up.

- wolfhounds


it pains me to think about weberwatch. What a stiff kick in the groin that was
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 31 @ 11:08 PM ET
Honestly, only a few have not liked the trade. I think they made a good deal, based on they got the best player out of the deal. I think it's going to help them in some ways, and hurt them in others. We have to let it play out to see how it changes the dynamic of the team. Trading a role player for a more talented younger player, isn't a bad move. But let's not pretend that there aren't any concerns about the deal.
- MJL


Of course they made a good deal.

When has the organization done anything questionable? Can you give me one move?
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Oct 31 @ 11:10 PM ET
Whoa. They're 22 and 20 respectively and still have time to perform. That aside, who do you think you would get for them?
- wolfhounds



i don't know - but if it was for a solid young defensemen or a speedy sniper I wouldn't think twice about trading them. They are both over-rated and the flyers have other centers like G, Vinny, Laughton, and Hall that can hold their own. I like both players but I'm tired of seeing then under-perform expectations night in and night out. Truly though if the flyers do keep them for the long haul I hope they pan out cause it sounds like subban and weber could have been had in the past if homer was willing to part with one or both.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 31 @ 11:14 PM ET
Of course they made a good deal.

When has the organization done anything questionable? Can you give me one move?

- flyer_nutter


I can give you plenty of questionable ones. The trade they made this afternoon wasn't one of them. The risk-reward ratio makes it a no brainer. It gets them a better player, doesn't cost them any youth or a player that is hard to replace, and it doesn't contain any long term repercussions in and of itself.

You're already running around guaranteeing a $3mm per year extension...that doesn't exist yet, and Downie may well prove to be worth it.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 31 @ 11:15 PM ET
And maybe the Varlamov thing made them realize just how young they really are -- their captain is 20 years old.

Talbot's a good veteran for them, not old, and can help them over the course of a long season where they are going to have some rougher times than they have now -- they don't talk about it much, but Ryan O'Reilly's year of being unable to be traded is going to be up after that offer-sheet match from last year. There's no guarantee that they're going to pay that salary when he's up -- but moving Downie and locking in Talbot's salary gives them a bit more room to do that, if that's what they want to do.

- AllInForFlyers

love that kid
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 31 @ 11:17 PM ET
i don't know - but if it was for a solid young defensemen or a speedy sniper I wouldn't think twice about trading them. They are both completely over-rated and the flyers have other centers like G, Vinny, Laughton, and Hall that can hold their own. I like both players but I'm tired of seeing then under-perform expectations night in and night out. Truly though if the flyers do keep them for the long haul I hope they pan out cause it sounds like subban and weber could have been had in the past if homer was willing to part with one or both.
- moylander


Cooter is and will be a very fine 3rd line center for years to come. I'm cool with that, I have no more expectations.

I do not trust B Schenn. I think he can be put on a path to be a D Brown type player on the wing but I'm not sure. He's at least staying on his skates a little more. It always seems like hes laboring out there on the ice and I think to myself my god he looks like this at 22. Eh bottom line is I don't have that faith in B Schenn like I do in Cooter to fill their roles
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 31 @ 11:19 PM ET
I can give you plenty of questionable ones. The trade they made this afternoon wasn't one of them. The risk-reward ratio makes it a no brainer. It gets them a better player, doesn't cost them any youth or a player that is hard to replace, and it doesn't contain any long term repercussions in and of itself.

You're already running around guaranteeing a $3mm per year extension...that doesn't exist yet, and Downie may well prove to be worth it.

- Jsaquella


You know very well Jsaq, and this is meant with no hard feelings, that the post wasn't directed anyone other than the moron who has complete immunity on the board when continuously making passive aggressive little female dog comments.

I have no respect for anyone like that. None.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 31 @ 11:22 PM ET
You know very well Jsaq, and this is meant with no hard feelings, that the post wasn't directed anyone other than the moron who has complete immunity on the board when continuously making passive aggressive little female dog comments.

I have no respect for anyone like that. None.

- flyer_nutter


That's fine. I just feel you're being unreasonable in your take on the trade. I have no hard feelings, just trying to kind of get you off the ledge, so to speak, and to keep the feathers from getting ruffled.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:22 PM ET
Re-read the posts again bud. I could give a rats ass about Talbot, and said he was trending down since his first year here.

The point being it would have been smarter to trade him at the deadline when teams are more desperate. That and make a run at Downie if you really when him when he hits UFA status in the summer. That, and paying Steve 3+million/year is a wonderful idea.

- flyer_nutter

wasn't really picking on you, nutter ... I was making fun of a couple of Pens fans on here.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 31 @ 11:25 PM ET
i don't know - but if it was for a solid young defensemen or a speedy sniper I wouldn't think twice about trading them. They are both over-rated and the flyers have other centers like G, Vinny, Laughton, and Hall that can hold their own. I like both players but I'm tired of seeing then under-perform expectations night in and night out. Truly though if the flyers do keep them for the long haul I hope they pan out cause it sounds like subban and weber could have been had in the past if homer was willing to part with one or both.
- moylander


I hope they both develop - and have more faith in Couts than B Schenn at this point - but if a trade that made sense and could benefit the team immediately were to be available, I'd pull the trigger. And I'd trade them for Weber in a heartbeat, especially since that all but guarantees Laughton stays with the Flyers next season, and I want to see that kid in action.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 31 @ 11:25 PM ET
love that kid
- isaiah520


He's a really good player -- really, really good. I give him credit for not complaining about moving to the wing when he is flat-out amazing at center.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 31 @ 11:26 PM ET
That's fine. I just feel you're being unreasonable in your take on the trade. I have no hard feelings, just trying to kind of get you off the ledge, so to speak, and to keep the feathers from getting ruffled.
- Jsaquella


No ruffled feathers really in regards to that trade. It is what it is, and something I have somewhat come to expect from this team.

I see it as a dumb short-sighted move, that will eventually lead to the overpayment of a guy who is chronically undisciplined, average at best in his own zone and injury prone.

Don't really think that's what the Flyers need to be spending their money on. At the end of the day it ends there. (regarding the trade)
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:28 PM ET
Nutter and a few Pens fans, who used to think that Talbot was great when he was a Pen ... extremely overrated when a Flyer ... and now back to great again now that he's an Av.

- FlyerGuy

Are you talking about me? Sorry I've been away from the thread for a few hours while I've been casting a bronze life sized Talbot statue in my back yard.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:28 PM ET
Such a (frank)ing moron bud. Couldn't stay off too long for ignoring my posts hey? Passive aggressive little female dog. Even after all those sappy Pm's you sent my way?

Why is that? Too many others ignoring your BS on here?

(frank)ing joke son... You give the site hits, and its gives you immunity. Rock on sunshine.

- flyer_nutter

ding ding ding
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 31 @ 11:28 PM ET
You know very well Jsaq, and this is meant with no hard feelings, that the post wasn't directed anyone other than the moron who has complete immunity on the board when continuously making passive aggressive little female dog comments.

I have no respect for anyone like that. None.

- flyer_nutter


You did kind of go off about the contract extension thing, but we all approach being a fan of the Flyers in different ways. That being said, aren't you just a little curious to see Downie in the Orange and Black tomorrow night and the dynamic he (hopefully) brings to the team?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 31 @ 11:30 PM ET
Are you talking about me? Sorry I've been away from the thread for a few house while I've been casting a bronze life sized Talbot statue in my back yard.
- Emperor Filonius


What, you aren't constantly monitoring the Flyers thread?

For shame, sir, for shame!

PS - You DaVinci, you.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 31 @ 11:30 PM ET
Are you talking about me? Sorry I've been away from the thread for a few hours while I've been casting a bronze life sized Talbot statue in my back yard.
- Emperor Filonius



How long does it take? Jeez you been at it for two years...Max isn't that tall
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:30 PM ET
Downie is what he is... a Downie and we'll like him for that
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:30 PM ET
Are you talking about me? Sorry I've been away from the thread for a few hours while I've been casting a bronze life sized Talbot statue in my back yard.
- Emperor Filonius

lol ... yeah, I was talking about you and some other Pens fan.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 31 @ 11:32 PM ET
Downie is what he is... a Downie and we'll like him for that
- 2Real


What was that quote back in the day when Downie was first coming into the league about tiger stripes? Anybody?
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:33 PM ET
What, you aren't constantly monitoring the Flyers thread?

For shame, sir, for shame!

PS - You DaVinci, you.

- wolfhounds


Monitoring this thread is a full time job. I might have to hire an intern to keep up on things until the kids get old enough to man their posts.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:34 PM ET
What was that quote back in the day when Downie was first coming into the league about tiger stripes? Anybody?
- wolfhounds

something like "it's better to tame a tiger than paint stripes on a pu##ycat."
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 31 @ 11:35 PM ET
How long does it take? Jeez you been at it for two years...Max isn't that tall
- Jsaquella


Work was suspended until today when we learned he won't end his career as a Flyer, lol.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 31 @ 11:35 PM ET
Work was suspended until today when we learned he won't end his career as a Flyer, lol.
- Emperor Filonius



Never say never...Brian Boucher came back like, 6 times
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