I think the reason the older crowd (if they haven't given up after the 1994-95, 2004-05, or 2012-13 lockouts) can withstand this is because they saw what 1967-1972 looked like.
- Flyskippy

but there wasn't 35 years of futility behind that stretch.

Ok, Han.


- Flyskippy

"Great, kid. Don't get penisy."

I think the reason the older crowd (if they haven't given up after the 1994-95, 2004-05, or 2012-13 lockouts) can withstand this is because they saw what 1967-1972 looked like.
- Flyskippy

indeed

we should be happy vinny is here
it lets players like schenn and cooter make mistakes and not be completely grilled for it and ruin their confidence
giroux we'll it's started to get to the now or never point for him with leadership
- 2Real

and Marty St. L in a couple years

Not as fast-acting as TED Talks IMO.
- Pixote Andolini

If you haven't seen them, the Onion Talks on Youtube are pretty funny.

Steve Downie's eye:

Steve Downie's eye:


- johndewar

Ouch.

Steve Downie's eye:


- johndewar

damn did he run into chris brown?

Tonight's lineup:

McGinn - Mason - Read
Harnell - Vinny - Voracek
Raffl - Schenn - Simmonds
Emery - Hall - Rosehill

Gill - Coburn
Coburn - Schenn
Gus - Coburn

Giroux
[Downie]

Anyone think the scoring drought may be associated to the poor offensive zone entries with puck possession ?

Obviously the transition game and breakouts and the lack of quality puck moving defenseman are all factors, but getting into the offensive zone with control of the puck vs a chip/dump in generates 50% more shots and scoring chances.

Everyone skating in a straight line, the opposing D just waits at the blueline, dump and chase by the flyer player that results in poor scoring chances.


http://nhlnumbers.com/201...ssion-over-dump-and-chase

Carrying the puck in is way better than dumping it in, more than twice as good -- and it's not because of odd-man rushes or player skill or any other external factor; it's just because having the puck in the opponent's zone headed towards the goal is a lot better than trying to outrace the opponent to try to get the puck in the corner.


Most people don't recognize just how big the difference is, and the data suggests that teams should be trying harder than they are to carry the puck in. If coaches are telling their third line to dump the puck, they are probably giving away scoring chances. If coaches are telling the players to dump the puck in borderline situations where they think carrying it might lead to a turnover, they are probably giving away scoring chances. Even regrouping and trying again might be better than dumping the puck in, especially when the team has their top line on the ice.

Before they cut the character length I used to have the whole quote. He said it to Jagr cuz Jagr whined to the refs all the time.
One of my favorites of his quotes.
I miss that man.
And I wish he could be more involved. But until he begins to feel better and his contract is completely up I doubt we see that much of him.
- FlyersGrace

Now tell them who introduced you to that quote.....

THIS GUY!

Carry-in 0.57 Pass-in 0.56 Dump-in 0.25 Deflect-in 0.26

Above, Shots per entry, overall

Flyers' zone entries in 2011-12. One of the things I noted is that carrying the puck into the offensive zone generates a lot more offense than dumping the puck in.

http://nhlnumbers.com/201...ssion-over-dump-and-chase

2013 Flyers Zone entry data

http://www.broadstreethoc...ntry-data-oh-the-humanity

The key finding was this: shot differential (which in turn is a great proxy for scoring chances and puck possession) is driven heavily by how a team does in the neutral zone.

Advancing the puck forward more often than the opponents do (so they get more entries) and keeping control of it as they enter the zone (rather than dumping it in) are major drivers of outshooting the opponent. Play in the attack ends appeared to be much less of a factor in shot differential; the best lines might get higher quality shots from each possession, but they didn't seem to take appreciably more of them.

This is an exciting transition for advanced stats: we're moving from describing what happened with a specific player on the ice to what the individual might have done to drive those results. The strongest individual contribution to shot differential appears to be what percentage of the time a player's zone entries are by carrying the puck in rather than dumping it in.

^^Over thinking.

^^Over thinking.
- youarewrong

Hush you. Anyone who has ideas or suggestions on how to improve versus just whine is A-OK in my book.

Hush you. Anyone who has ideas or suggestions on how to improve versus just whine is A-OK in my book.
- FlyersGrace

I've made my suggestions. Trade for Yakupov and Buff.

Tonight's lineup:

McGinn - Mason - Read
Harnell - Vinny - Voracek
Raffl - Schenn - Simmonds
Emery - Hall - Rosehill

Gill - Coburn
Coburn - Schenn
Gus - Coburn

Giroux

- Streit2ThePoint[Downie]

Emery with a hatty and 30 PIMS.

Giroux with the shutout.

10-0 Flyers.

Anyone think the scoring drought may be associated to the poor offensive zone entries with puck possession ?

Obviously the transition game and breakouts and the lack of quality puck moving defenseman are all factors, but getting into the offensive zone with control of the puck vs a chip/dump in generates 50% more shots and scoring chances.

Everyone skating in a straight line, the opposing D just waits at the blueline, dump and chase by the flyer player that results in poor scoring chances.


http://nhlnumbers.com/201...ssion-over-dump-and-chase

Carrying the puck in is way better than dumping it in, more than twice as good -- and it's not because of odd-man rushes or player skill or any other external factor; it's just because having the puck in the opponent's zone headed towards the goal is a lot better than trying to outrace the opponent to try to get the puck in the corner.


Most people don't recognize just how big the difference is, and the data suggests that teams should be trying harder than they are to carry the puck in. If coaches are telling their third line to dump the puck, they are probably giving away scoring chances. If coaches are telling the players to dump the puck in borderline situations where they think carrying it might lead to a turnover, they are probably giving away scoring chances. Even regrouping and trying again might be better than dumping the puck in, especially when the team has their top line on the ice.
- Chris48

Soooo, possible reason for Downie trade or possible cover up reason?

http://www.cbssports.com/...nt-with-gabriel-landeskog

I find it ironic given that Landeskog was giving Downie high praise during the offseason, citing his absence due to injury as a primary reaosn the team did poorly last season...and I also remember when this scuffle happened seeing Landeskog kind of blowing it off...but maybe the org didn't like it...if we benefit from it, so be it!


edit: Leight

I've made my suggestions. Trade for Yakupov and Buff.
- youarewrong

lol... Unreal this guy. Probably the only guy on here that would trade for Yak and Buff. Probably lose B. Schenn, Couts, Read, Coburn and a 1st for those two unreliable players.

Hope you were sarcastic !!!!!

Hush you. Anyone who has ideas or suggestions on how to improve versus just whine is A-OK in my book.
- FlyersGrace

hush you

the best way to improve with this team is time

lol... Unreal this guy. Probably the only guy on here that would trade for Yak and Buff. Probably lose B. Schenn, Couts, Read, Coburn and a 1st for those two unreliable players.

Hope you were sarcastic !!!!!
- Chris48

His data was wrong, and his calculations were off by a percentage point. Next time, show your work!

- feelingkettle

Soooo, possible reason for Downie trade or possible cover up reason?

http://www.cbssports.com/...nt-with-gabriel-landeskog

I find it ironic given that Landeskog was giving Downie high praise during the offseason, citing his absence due to injury as a primary reaosn the team did poorly last season...and I also remember when this scuffle happened seeing Landeskog kind of blowing it off...but maybe the org didn't like it...if we benefit from it, so be it!
- exlund