I'll say again; Eberle and Smid for Coburn, Simmonds, McGinn, and a 2nd

Add or subtract as you necessary, but I'd argue that's fair value.
- MaximumBone

sign me up.

Mission accomplished.
- djamon

I'm sure I'll lose sleep over that

"Our better players have to start playing better or we will get better players," - Tallon

I'm bound to have a bias as Eberle is my favourite Oiler, but yeah, I'd say he's pretty close to worth that (hence the possible reworking). Philly wants high-end skill as much as we want grit so situational value is completely irrelevant.
- MaximumBone

Eberle whether people want to admit it here or not IS OUR BEST (frank)ING PLAYER

I don't want Eberle gone.
- ChetManly

Someone has to be traded. The Oil can't win with 3/4 of the forward group under 6 feet tall. This team constantly gets pushed around; especially in their own end. Aside from Perron, the top 9 forwards and all 6 dmen are softer then pillows.
The STL Blues are a treat to watch and the Oilers need to build their team like them.

I wish MacT and KLowe all the luck in world in turning this franchise around.

Eberle whether people want to admit it here or not IS OUR BEST (frank)ING PLAYER
- saskoil21

no, he's not.

in fact, not even our second best player.
my favourite and super fun to watch, but he's a secondary core piece.
his skill set isn't someone you build around, but use to add to the halls and the nuge's.

I don't care that he outplayed yakupov. most of the league is outplaying yakupov at present. this in no way validates his play.
omark does nothing for us. his size and tool set aren't in any way conducive to what ails this team.\

im not sure he's ever gonna be successful in the big leagues outside of Europe.
but even if he does find a niche, it certainly wont be here
- hugefemale dog77

Never said it validates him as an NHLer, but to completely discount his play like you and a lot of others do is ridiculous. You don't get played with Nuge and Eberle for half the game unless you're doing something right. That having been said, nor do you only play just 9:04 without doing something wrong.

Regardless, my original post was just poking fun at the massive bias the thread holds against Omark. That's all.

Eberle whether people want to admit it here or not IS OUR BEST (frank)ING PLAYER
- saskoil21

Nope. It's still Hall if you're looking beyond just this season. Eberle has maintained his play and Hall has lacked some consistency so far, so a case could be made for it this year.

Never said it validates him as an NHLer, but to completely discount his play like you and a lot of others do is ridiculous. You don't get played with Nuge and Eberle for half the game unless you're doing something right. That having been said, nor do you only play just 9:04 without doing something wrong.

Regardless, my original post was just poking fun at the massive bias the thread holds against Omark. That's all.
- MaximumBone

no other viable options.


smyth?
double shift hall?

no bias. the game he likes to play in relation to his size is mind boggling. not a strong open ice skater either. doesn't have much of a shot etc etc


I don't know what we're even arguing here. the guy has been around for ages and cant get it done. this debate is already over. omark is never gonna be a factor for us.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: FLA puts Ryan Whitney on waivers.

Still a top-4 Dman, eh Whitney?
- MaximumBone

Eberle whether people want to admit it here or not IS OUR BEST (frank)ING PLAYER
- saskoil21

thank you! any given night, it will be Hall, Eberle, Nuge as the best 3 players we have. Eberle is so clutch. You don't get rid of your best finisher and sniper.

Someone has to be traded. The Oil can't win with 3/4 of the forward group under 6 feet tall. This team constantly gets pushed around; especially in their own end. Aside from Perron, the top 9 forwards and all 6 dmen are softer then pillows.
The STL Blues are a treat to watch and the Oilers need to build their team like them.

I wish MacT and KLowe all the luck in world in turning this franchise around.
- nanook82

(frank) off with that argument! What else do you want them to do? Half of them are hitting above the 2 hits/game mark already and Eakins' system seems to ignore the man in front of the net so net battles are halfway to out of the question.

Someone has to be traded. The Oil can't win with 3/4 of the forward group under 6 feet tall. This team constantly gets pushed around; especially in their own end. Aside from Perron, the top 9 forwards and all 6 dmen are softer then pillows.
The STL Blues are a treat to watch and the Oilers need to build their team like them.

I wish MacT and KLowe all the luck in world in turning this franchise around.
- nanook82

I want to argue, but I don't feel like wasting my day and us all running around in a giant circle getting nowheres

thank you! any given night, it will be Hall, Eberle, Nuge as the best 3 players we have. Eberle is so clutch. You don't get rid of your best finisher and sniper.
- ChetManly

I agree, UNLESS it's for an upgrade in an area of need. Grit, size, and depth are all lacking and that trade kind of addresses those problems.

I agree, UNLESS it's for an upgrade in an area of need. Grit, size, and depth are all lacking and that trade kind of addresses those problems.
- MaximumBone

I still think we can complete those upgrades without sending away Eberle. Sure, it might be my giant hockey man crush for him, but I think he is way more valuable to this team than people realize.

If they aren't trading away Yakupov, who has been poop this season, why would they trade Eberle who has been better, but has shown he has the abilities?

I would only accept the Eberle trade if we absolutely fleeced a team for incredible pieces.

Eberle will be a much better all-around team player and solid leader. Way more than Yakupov ever will be. The Don Cherry in me is screaming to keep Eberle.

(frank) off with that argument! What else do you want them to do? Half of them are hitting above the 2 hits/game mark already and Eakins' system seems to ignore the man in front of the net so net battles are halfway to out of the question.
- MaximumBone

It's weird. Our 5 on 5 looked way better to start the year but it's completely petered out.

I think to a certain extent this team gets its energy from good PPs. We like to sling the puck around and take risks, and you can't have the confidence to do that (well) at even strength unless you can do it with the man advantage.

Eberle plus what gets us simmonds and couturier?

That 1st rounder with eberle might be too much seeing as it could be ekblad if hear changes don't help. Maybe klefbom or marincin?

(frank) off with that argument! What else do you want them to do? Half of them are hitting above the 2 hits/game mark already and Eakins' system seems to ignore the man in front of the net so net battles are halfway to out of the question.
- MaximumBone

Yes impressive some of the dmen are at that mark, but they don't strike any fear into the opposition. Thats why I call them soft. I guess I just miss the days of Gator, Greener, Pronger, McGillis, De vries and even Igor (as bad as he was).

I still think we can complete those upgrades without sending away Eberle. Sure, it might be my giant hockey man crush for him, but I think he is way more valuable to this team than people realize.

If they aren't trading away Yakupov, who has been poop this season, why would they trade Eberle who has been better, but has shown he has the abilities?

I would only accept the Eberle trade if we absolutely fleeced a team for incredible pieces.

Eberle will be a much better all-around team player and solid leader. Way more than Yakupov ever will be. The Don Cherry in me is screaming to keep Eberle.
- ChetManly

I don't think MacT is gonna be able to make a trade that doesn't hurt the fanbase in some way. Moving Smid, or Hemsky won't really change this team's fortunes much. Moving Eberle or Hall will.

I don't think MacT is gonna be able to make a trade that doesn't hurt the fanbase in some way. Moving Smid, or Hemsky won't really change this team's fortunes much. Moving Eberle or Hall will.
- djamon

I think there's lots of trades that could help the team immediately. They wouldn't spell the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, but Hemsky (salary retained) could likely go for a serviceable young bottom 6er which could improve the team immensely.

I don't think MacT is gonna be able to make a trade that doesn't hurt the fanbase in some way. Moving Smid, or Hemsky won't really change this team's fortunes much. Moving Eberle or Hall will.
- djamon

ill bet the farm neither of hall nor nuge get moved.

u just don't move players like that unless it's an absolute slam dunk.

Schultz isn't as appealing as he once was prob, and is worth more to us than in a deal anyway.

if it's anyone of em, it's yaks or ebs

I'm sure I'll lose sleep over that
- Reveen

I don't hate u

ill bet the farm neither of hall nor nuge get moved.

u just don't move players like that unless it's an absolute slam dunk.

Schultz isn't as appealing as he once was prob, and is worth more to us than in a deal anyway.

if it's anyone of em, it's yaks or ebs
- hugefemale dog77

At this point I'd rather overpay in a deal and not give up any of the core guys than make a "hockey" trade and give one of the core guys.

Just too many holes on the team right now...

It's weird. Our 5 on 5 looked way better to start the year but it's completely petered out.

I think to a certain extent this team gets its energy from good PPs. We like to sling the puck around and take risks, and you can't have the confidence to do that (well) at even strength unless you can do it with the man advantage.
- Morris

I figured that was going to be the Oilers plan of attack (I believe Yost brought it up at the beginning of the season). Use that speed and individual puck possession to draw penalties and then make them pay on the PP. But only Hall and Nuge seem to be able to keep pace with that style.

I think there's lots of trades that could help the team immediately. They wouldn't spell the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, but Hemsky (salary retained) could likely go for a serviceable young bottom 6er which could improve the team immensely.
- Morris

Do you still think the bottom 6 is the problem here?

I'm not saying MacT SHOULD trade Eberle or Hall or RNH...I'm just saying if he really wants to change the team's fortunes that's what he has to do. It's risky as Hell.

Plus it sends a huge message to the rest of the young guns...anyone can be traded.