Every player that isn't getting the minutes he thinks he deserves or is on a losing team is "open to trades." A lot of players are in that boat. But that doesn't mean the GM is looking to actively trade them.

Simmonds, yes. Coburn, no.

Our D might not be great now, but it gets a hell of a lot worse without Coburn in it. And it stays that way for a few years.

Not to mention adding a defensively challenged forward while taking out our top D-man. Bad chemistry there.
- wolfhounds

Yep. If Coburn goes, there better be a proven NHL defenseman coming back. Unless we're cool with Gill or Meszaros playing for the rest of the season.

Yep. If Coburn goes, there better be a proven NHL defenseman coming back. Unless we're cool with Gill or Meszaros playing in slow motion for the rest of the season.
- jmatchett383

FTFY

Yep. If Coburn goes, there better be a proven NHL defenseman coming back. Unless we're cool with Gill or Meszaros playing for the rest of the season.
- jmatchett383

And that's why the Flyers really need to make two moves. One of the slower Dmen in a deal for a skill winger and then one of the superfluous grit wingers in a deal for a more mobile D man. Doesnt have to be Subban. Doesnt even have to be Yandle. Just get faster back there. You do that and you increase the overall speed of your breakout/offensive game and up the scoring threat in the offensive zone, clearly the Flyers two biggest issues.

Was I the only one who thought it was weird to see Bettman in front of a crowd of people and not hear it raining down with boo's?
- iroc4me2

I actually thought that too. a few years ago I was at the opening of the Laura Simms (Cobbs Creek) rink for the Ed Snider Foundation and Bettman was there. when he was introduced I cringed just waiting for boos he wasn't tho of course because it was the Snider Foundation.

Yep. If Coburn goes, there better be a proven NHL defenseman coming back. Unless we're cool with Gill or Meszaros playing for the rest of the season.
- jmatchett383

I think I am the only Flyers fan that does not want to move Coburn

if anyone comes across video of the speech please post it

thanks in advance

edit: my bad its on tsn already
- Crimsoninja

http://video.nhl.com/vide...482749&navid=nhl:topheads

I think I am the only Flyers fan that does not want to move Coburn
- nastyflyergirl

I wish Timonen's brain could be put in Coburn's head. Coburn is truly an enigma. He's got great size and skating ability, but he combines that with the hockey IQ of a turnip.

I don't want him to go per say, he's the only d-man on the blueline who can skate.

I DVR'd the HHOF ceremony & I'm glad I did. I really enjoyed Bobby Clarke's talking about Fred Shero and Ray Shero's wonderful acceptance speech. The representation by the Flyers organization was tremendous. I hope the team can eventually return to the successes of their glory days.

For one night, it was enjoyable to talk Flyers with my older son again.

I think I am the only Flyers fan that does not want to move Coburn
- nastyflyergirl

I'm with you. He struggled early in the season, but they really can't afford to lose his mobility on the backend.

I DVR'd the HHOF ceremony & I'm glad I did. I really enjoyed Bobby Clarke's talking about Fred Shero and Ray Shero's wonderful acceptance speech. The representation by the Flyers organization was tremendous. I hope the team can eventually return to the successes of their glory days.

For one night, it was enjoyable to talk Flyers with my older son again.
- Flyskippy

I watched it live and 2 more times since. what a wonderful speech and forewords by Clarke. Seeing all the Flyers players there was awesome. Those moments are the parts of Snider that I love....flying all the players there. of course chasing those 70's cups again is probably the part of Snider i don't like. Anyways, just a great and deserving night for Freddie

I'm with you. He struggled early in the season, but they really can't afford to lose his mobility on the backend.
- BulliesPhan87

Exactly. He's not really a puck-mover, but his size, skating and mobility are sorely needed.

Grossmann is the one I would love to trade. Either to free up a permanent spot for Gustafsson or to acquire more of a puck-mover. The former seems much more likely to occur.

I'm with you. He struggled early in the season, but they really can't afford to lose his mobility on the backend.
- BulliesPhan87

Count me in, too. If they get him a partner that shores up his game it's like getting 2 dmen at once.

Exactly. He's not really a puck-mover, but his size, skating and mobility are sorely needed.

Grossmann is the one I would love to trade. Either to free up a permanent spot for Gustafsson or to acquire more of a puck-mover. The former seems much more likely to occur.
- bradleyc4

personally I want to keep them both. Reality is they Flyers will not be bringing back Timonen or Meszaros so they will already need to replace 2 dmen.

Exactly. He's not really a puck-mover, but his size, skating and mobility are sorely needed.

Grossmann is the one I would love to trade. Either to free up a permanent spot for Gustafsson or to acquire more of a puck-mover. The former seems much more likely to occur.
- bradleyc4

Agreed. Grossmann's been playing pretty well so far, so there may never be a better time to trade him.

I've never understood why teams like Nashville don't trade a dman or two at a reasonable price for some forwards.

Nashville is by far the lowest scoring team in the western conference and currently out of a playoff spot. They were the lowest scoring team in the western conference last year and missed the playoffs.

They are in danger of paying Weber upwards of $40 million without seeing any playoff revenue.

Their #1 center, legwand, has only had more than 45 points 1 time in the last 5 years and that 1 time was 53 points.

If they miss the playoffs again, i can't imagine that having a great defensive core is going to be much solace.

I've never understood why teams like Nashville don't trade a dman or two at a reasonable price for some forwards.

Nashville is by far the lowest scoring team in the western conference and currently out of a playoff spot. They were the lowest scoring team in the western conference last year and missed the playoffs.

They are in danger of paying Weber upwards of $40 million without seeing any playoff revenue.

Their #1 center, legwand, has only had more than 45 points 1 time in the last 5 years and that 1 time was 53 points.

If they miss the playoffs again, i can't imagine that having a great defensive core is going to be much solace.
- Flyers_01

They just let their stud d-men walk with no compensation. Suter has been stellar in Minnesota.

I think I am the only Flyers fan that does not want to move Coburn
- nastyflyergirl

I'm with you on that one. Lets get rid of our only top 4 dman that can skate, brilliant!

personally I want to keep them both. Reality is they Flyers will not be bringing back Timonen or Meszaros so they will already need to replace 2 dmen.
- nastyflyergirl

I expect Morin to be in the top-six mix next season.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=53&id=482749&navid=nhl:topheads
- nastyflyergirl

Damn. That was good.

Any link to Clarke's bit out there?

I expect Morin to be in the top-six mix next season.
- bradleyc4

I wouldn't move him until I was sure there is a replacement.

Damn. That was good.

Any link to Clarke's bit out there?
- Scoob

not that I have seen but I have to think it will be on youtube at some point

I wouldn't move him until I was sure there is a replacement.
- nastyflyergirl

I'm just not a big fan.

I think I am the only Flyers fan that does not want to move Coburn
- nastyflyergirl

No. We are sympatico.

in case anyone missed this on the Flyers web site

The Wit and Wisdom of Fred Shero


Upon his hiring by the Flyers, June 1, 1971:


“Hockey is like pool. It’s not what you make, but what you leave.”


“I’ve hardly ever fined a player. Nowadays, you fine a player and he laughs at you. You sit him on the bench, though and it’s embarrassing. “


“I tell my guys, ‘I don’t want you to do what I say unless I can prove that I’m right.’ But then he’ll do it anyway because I am the boss.”


On his haircut orders for the Flyers’ at his first training camp with them: “All I said was that I didn’t want hair in their eyes. Before (Jimmy) Johnson would take a faceoff, he had to brush the hair away. Plus, if a player has a lot of hair around his face, it’s going to take too much time to put in stitches. In hockey we demand that a man get back in action as soon as possible.”


“Another thing is we’ll be rushing to catch planes and won’t have time to wait for players to dry their hair. They’d catch colds if they rushed outside. And we can’t afford to pay for 19 hair dryers.”


On waking up in an Atlanta hotel room during the 1974 playoffs with a cut, bruised face, a broken thumb, and a six-inch gash on his arm. “All I remember is the word ‘animal’ upset me. If I had a fight in a bar, it wouldn’t be the first time. From now on when I go for a walk, I’m taking (Dave) Schultz with me.”


After the Flyers beat the Bruins for the first time in 27 games, 10 days before the 1974 playoffs, and the drive to the first Cup began: “This is the best team I’ve ever seen in jockey for discipline and desire. “I don’t think I’ll ever see one better.”


Written by Shero on the dressing room blackboard before Game 4 of the 1974 Stanley Cup finals: “Win and we will walk together forever.”


After being cautioned by security-conscious policemen to stop leaning out of his car to shake hands on the Stanley Cup 2 parade route: “I believe this day belongs to the people of the city, just as much as it belongs to us. They supported us all year and what are they asking in return? Just a handshake or a chance to touch one of us. I don’t think they should be denied that.”


To 100,000 people at JFK Stadium, at the end of that parade route: “This city is beautiful. It doesn’t realize just how beautiful yet, but maybe it’s learning”


After taking Orest Kindrachuk, a fellow back pain-sufferer, to visit Shero’s faith healer in 1976: “I’m cured. Well, not cured but the pain went away. Now, the only pain I have is the players.”


After a Flyers’ 23-game unbeaten streak was ended by the Red Wings in 1976, one game short of a 35 year-old NHL record: “What do records mean? I set all kinds of records coaching 13 years in the minors and I starved to death.”


On why he started Bobby Taylor, who played only eight games as Bernie Parent’s backup in 1973-74, in a national television game in Boston: “It’s his turn.”


On Paul Holmgren, after he flattened Phil Esposito in Holmgren’s NHL debut: “There’s the Stanley Cup.”


When told that many of his players, just dethroned by Montreal as Stanley Cup champions in 1976, said the season was a waste if you don’t win it all: “They can’t mean that. They have to accept it. What else can they do? They’re not God.”


After an abysmal loss to the Islanders in 1977: “I fell sorry for the fans. They had to pay. We got in free.”


After Al Hill scored five points in his first NHL game: “I didn’t know we had the guy. They just told me he was tough. I said, ‘Bring him up.’”


On injuries: If my players are hurt, I tell them to go to the hospital. They recover fast in there because it interferes with their night life.”


Said with pride after the Flyers overcame a slow start in 1976-77 to win a fourth-straight division title, the last of Shero’s time with the Flyers: “The playoffs don’t mean anything. They are just there to make money for the owners and players.”






On the joy of coaching: “I get up early deliberately. Then I can look at the people going to work. I can think how lucky I am. In other words I can go back to sleep. I can call off practice. I can do anything I’ve ever wanted.”


On the agony of coaching: “I want to be miserable. That makes me happy. I think you can’t know joy if you don’t know sorrow. If you are happy all the time, there must be something wrong. Evidently you’re an idiot. You’re doing nothing.”


About Kevin McCarthy, the Flyers’ first-round pick in 1977, after his first NHL game: “He is the best passer in the history of the NHL.”


On Rick MacLeish during a 1978 slump: “I told Terry and Pat (assistant coaches Crisp and Quinn) to get off his back and not talk to him about hockey for two days. I think [MacLeish] needs a pat on the back more than anything but how many times can you tell a guy he is great? He shouldn’t need that much encouragement.”


On the defensive style of Roger Neilson’s Toronto Maple Leafs: “If they win, they don’t deserve it. You might get lucky and win some games like that, but it is never going to win you a championship.”


As he exchanged his skates for street shoes while seated on a folding chair after the skidding Flyers practiced in Chicago in 1978: “ My patience is wearing thin and so are the soles of my shoes. We have tried everything. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him fish. What else can I do? You want to jump in the river with me?”


On what he would tell slumping veterans benched in favor of minor-league call-ups during that 1978 slump: “Tough bleepsky. That’s what they say in Russia.”


On his frustration with poor reception when he tried to watch a hockey game in a TV hotel room (pre-cable days): “A $300-a-night room. And a 25-cent TV.”