I got the trade right here.

Toronto trades Jake Gardiner, and Kulimen to the Calgary Flames in exchange for Max Reinhart, Jon Gillies, and Curtis Glencross

If flames stay were they are, I'd be happy if they drafted Ritchie. Fills that big RW need.

And even if they keep doing better then expected, a couple rounds later grab Virtanen
- numbear

Ritchie is a left shot and Virtanen is top 15 right now.

I got the trade right here.

Toronto trades Jake Gardiner, and Kulimen to the Calgary Flames in exchange for Max Reinhart, Jon Gillies, and Curtis Glencross
- Suckitcrosby

Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaa.............. Ohhhhhhhhh. Nooooo

Shore played very well in the NHL last season. He easily could have had 10 goals. He was one of those guys who had the puck jump over his stick or caught the post because he didn't get 100% on the shot. He'll be good, but Bjugstad has just been amazing and we are super deep at center.

Edit: We like North American boys on our blue line.
- Panthers88

Bjugstad has been amazing for a couple weeks. Too soon to give away Shore.

Also I wouldn't automatically assume that the Flames pick will be #1 overall. Bottom 5 team, yes, probably but no guarantee of being in the bottom 3, I would say
- S Kaspar Rollins

I thought the #1 overall pick was automatically assigned to Edmonton every year..?

Stajan will be a leaf

I wouldn't trade the flames first rounder for anyone on the leafs
- Redmile247

Well then, you would be a fool.

I got the trade right here.

Toronto trades Jake Gardiner, and Kulimen to the Calgary Flames in exchange for Max Reinhart, Jon Gillies, and Curtis Glencross
- Suckitcrosby

Meh.
Still not interested.

You didn't read the beginning of this thread when I was praising Ekblad. You are being too sensitive if what I wrote offended you. Your team has made the wrong choice twice at #1 in recent years. I would listen to your evaluations of Leaf players with as much seriousness as I would a priest telling me about singularity.

JVR and Kessel are easily worth a top 5 #1, but we wouldn't do that because permanent rebuilding is only fun for so long.
- PotvinFan

Hall - 188 GP - 161 points
Seguin - 224 GP - 144 points

RNH - 124 GP - 94 points
Landeskog - 138 - 85 points

Yakupov - 70 GP - 40 points
Murray - 22 GP - 4 points (and yes, I realize Murray is D)

first of all, it's WAAAAY to early to say we "chose wrong"..by those stats, we chose right, do I think Seguin/Landeskog/Murray are all good players, Yes absolutely, great?..time will tell...but with our picks we landed a game changer in Taylor Hall, a #1 center in RNH and a potential 40+ goal guy in Yakupov...

We never did get more after the Sabres game like Ek said, did we?

what a liar!

"...sources tell me that the Flyers aren't any real hurry to make another trade with Toronto where they send one of their young forwards to the Leafs for a defenseman."

Now why would that be?

Hall - 188 GP - 161 points
Seguin - 224 GP - 144 points

RNH - 124 GP - 94 points
Landeskog - 138 - 85 points

Yakupov - 70 GP - 40 points
Murray - 22 GP - 4 points (and yes, I realize Murray is D)

first of all, it's WAAAAY to early to say we "chose wrong"..by those stats, we chose right, do I think Seguin/Landeskog/Murray are all good players, Yes absolutely, great?..time will tell...but with our picks we landed a game changer in Taylor Hall, a #1 center in RNH and a potential 40+ goal guy in Yakupov...
- yakattack

Rob Ford isn't the only one in TO smoking crack.

Rob Ford isn't the only one in TO smoking crack.
- Al Hacker

word

Hall - 188 GP - 161 points
Seguin - 224 GP - 144 points

RNH - 124 GP - 94 points
Landeskog - 138 - 85 points

Yakupov - 70 GP - 40 points
Murray - 22 GP - 4 points (and yes, I realize Murray is D)

first of all, it's WAAAAY to early to say we "chose wrong"..by those stats, we chose right, do I think Seguin/Landeskog/Murray are all good players, Yes absolutely, great?..time will tell...but with our picks we landed a game changer in Taylor Hall, a #1 center in RNH and a potential 40+ goal guy in Yakupov...
- yakattack

This! Oilers fan or not, there is no data to suggest Seguin or Murray is better than Hall and Yak respectively. RNH and Landeskog is close, close enough that no one should be saying picking one over the other is the correct choice. I get that leafs fans like to troll other teams, but do so with defensable facts, not just garbage.

Hall - 188 GP - 161 points
Seguin - 224 GP - 144 points

RNH - 124 GP - 94 points
Landeskog - 138 - 85 points

Yakupov - 70 GP - 40 points
Murray - 22 GP - 4 points (and yes, I realize Murray is D)

first of all, it's WAAAAY to early to say we "chose wrong"..by those stats, we chose right, do I think Seguin/Landeskog/Murray are all good players, Yes absolutely, great?..time will tell...but with our picks we landed a game changer in Taylor Hall, a #1 center in RNH and a potential 40+ goal guy in Yakupov...
- yakattack

Of all the choices above, the only one I might change is Yakupov. Reason behind it is they could have traded the #1 pick to CBJ for the #2 pick + assets, then drafted Murray at #2. What they really needed was a defenseman, and the could have got a future #1D + extra assets.

CBJ taking Yakupov at #1 is a huge assumption though, especially after the Zherdev debacle. Even then though if CBJ draft Murray, then you draft Yak anyways and still come out on top with the extra assets.

This! Oilers fan or not, there is no data to suggest Seguin or Murray is better than Hall and Yak respectively. RNH and Landeskog is close, close enough that no one should be saying picking one over the other is the correct choice. I get that leafs fans like to troll other teams, but do so with defensable facts, not just garbage.
- massa_3

No dog in the fight ... I think there's the argument that Oiler's ended up with the wrong mix of players, but skill/calibre wise it's hard to argue they made a poor choice.

Just assets, now management has to make it work.

Well then, you would be a fool.
- Fakepartofme

I think we have already figured out on this thread that leafs fans think half the roster is worth the potential first overall and other fans say no one is worth it

Of all the choices above, the only one I might change is Yakupov. Reason behind it is they could have traded the #1 pick to CBJ for the #2 pick + assets, then drafted Murray at #2. What they really needed was a defenseman, and the could have got a future #1D + extra assets.

CBJ taking Yakupov at #1 is a huge assumption though, especially after the Zherdev debacle. Even then though if CBJ draft Murray, then you draft Yak anyways and still come out on top with the extra assets.
- Cimo

And what makes you so sure, they didn't ask Columbus about this? You are assuming that they blindly picked Yak without exploring trade options. Perhaps, they did and none of the offers were fair.

Hall - 188 GP - 161 points
Seguin - 224 GP - 144 points

RNH - 124 GP - 94 points
Landeskog - 138 - 85 points

Yakupov - 70 GP - 40 points
Murray - 22 GP - 4 points (and yes, I realize Murray is D)

first of all, it's WAAAAY to early to say we "chose wrong"..by those stats, we chose right, do I think Seguin/Landeskog/Murray are all good players, Yes absolutely, great?..time will tell...but with our picks we landed a game changer in Taylor Hall, a #1 center in RNH and a potential 40+ goal guy in Yakupov...
- yakattack

Right now the the oilers have the guys with more upside but the other forwards are better overall hockey players ... That could change ... It's easy to rip the oil for drafting yak over Murray because yak has had issues with playing the way the coaches want him to ... If he figures it out then he will be the right choice ... If not then Murray could be the better pick

Right now the the oilers have the guys with more upside but the other forwards are better overall hockey players ... That could change ... It's easy to rip the oil for drafting yak over Murray because yak has had issues with playing the way the coaches want him to ... If he figures it out then he will be the right choice ... If not then Murray could be the better pick
- Redmile247

Way too much has been made of Yak's play in October of this year and too much has been ignored of his play last year. This years play in the first month could easily be attributed to a new coach/sophmore slump. Silly to judge an NHL player before he has even played a full season.

Right now the the oilers have the guys with more upside but the other forwards are better overall hockey players ... That could change ... It's easy to rip the oil for drafting yak over Murray because yak has had issues with playing the way the coaches want him to ... If he figures it out then he will be the right choice ... If not then Murray could be the better pick
- Redmile247

Way too much has been made of Yak's play in October of this year and too much has been ignored of his play last year. This years play in the first month could easily be attributed to a new coach/sophmore slump. Silly to judge an NHL player before he has even played a full season.

You don't know what you're talking about.
- MaximumBone

this basically sums the thread up.

the best part was all the leaf fans congratulating each other on their supreme knowledge. all with leaf ref throwing out a ban or two to back them up

ignorance is bliss!!!!

I think you're all losing sight of the fact that the worth of the player or pick is based on the need of the team trading it. For example, a team may think that a JVR (2nd overall pick) will put them over the top and help them win a Stanley Cup. In that sense don't you think that they would be willing to part with a first rounder?

The closer teams get to the trade deadline the more desperate GMs get to fill their needs and the more they become more willing to deal their high value assets. To say this player or that player is or isn't worth a first round pick is not really a fair evaluation. Trade values are a moving target.

I think you're all losing sight of the fact that the worth of the player or pick is based on the need of the team trading it. For example, a team may think that a JVR (2nd overall pick) will put them over the top and help them win a Stanley Cup. In that sense don't you think that they would be willing to part with a first rounder?

The closer teams get to the trade deadline the more desperate GMs get to fill their needs and the more they become more willing to deal their high value assets. To say this player or that player is or isn't worth a first round pick is not really a fair evaluation. Trade values are a moving target.
- Kinger34

I don't think you've paid close enough attention.
or at the very least are trying to give your fellow leaf fans the benefit of the doubt.

everyone of those guys mentioned is worth a first rounder without a doubt. where it got a little mixed up was lottery, top ten and even first overall.

but really, that's neither here nor there. it was a Calgary fan maybe underestimating a few of the leaf players abit, but really just saying he'd rather the lottery than the leaf players. and even if the talent level is there, considering needs, rebuilding, and salary, most of it wasn't all that crazy.

but of course then team retard came out and couldn't believe anyone would dare say such things about the mighty leaf players!!! you're all so stupid! blah blah blah


imo, I wouldn't trade a lottery pick for either of kadri nor especially gardiner.

reilly or kessel both go for a lottery pick, but neither goes for a first overall.

sling away if you must, but to think this is completely unreasonable is laughable and made said leaf posters truly look like homer idiots.