I'm probably coming off as an ass and I apologize, but like a lot of you, I'm beyond frustrated with this poop.

I'm talking about his performance for this WHOLE YEAR, he's been absolutely brutal, and it's not everyones fault but his, he's a big problem.
- SpoiledByOil

So he hasn't played well this year, and that means that no matter how badly anyone else screws up on a goal allowed, it's his fault? I'm not following

And our water mark of comparison Ben bishop let in 3 goals on 13 shots last week
- Morris

Then he followed it up with a 37 save shutout.

in at least two of his wins he played like an ECHLer apparently.
- Morris

Dont forget, Every loss we've had is his fault too.

Sucks that we've got a farm level goalie in net letting down such a defensively stellar team in front of him.
We'd be leading the pacific with anybody else in net

So he hasn't played well this year, and that means that no matter how badly anyone else screws up on a goal allowed, it's his fault? I'm not following
- Morris

hasn't played well is an understatement. The difference is being 2nd last in the league when with even slightly below average goaltending would have us closer to the middle of the pack. We're not playing like a playoff team at all, but we're not playing as the 2nd worst team in the league either.

Then he followed it up with a 37 save shutout.
- SpoiledByOil

Jeez when's the last time dubnyk had a shutout

Dont forget, Every loss we've had is his fault too.

Sucks that we've got a farm level goalie in net letting down such a defensively stellar team in front of him.
We'd be leading the pacific with anybody else in net
- hugefemale dog77

wow, now you just want to act like an idiot. If we had a defensively stellar team we would be halfway up the pack with our poopty goaltending. if we had an average defensive team (like we do) with average goaltending we would be slightly below .500, if we had good goaltending we'd be slightly above .500. We have absolutely horrendous goaltending and we're in 2nd last. But it's not his fault, not at all

Jeez when's the last time dubnyk had a shutout
- Morris

Last time he had a shutout was when he only had 14 shots on net. what a stud. Difference between a good goalie and a bad goalie is their poopty games come few and far between, Dubnyks good games are few and far between.

3rd star of the week because 3 of his 4 good games were all in that week, doesn't make up for his play. If was putting up even slightly less than average numbers this year we'd be a lot closer to .500.
- SpoiledByOil

While we're arguing semantics, Dubnyk has ACTUALLY had 8 good games.

You're letting a bad start cloud your vision of Dubnyk and letting a great start by guys like Bishop ad Bernier blind you to the truth. Does the law of averages ring a bell? Bernier won't maintain the numbers he's putting up now. Nor will Varlamov maintain his. Will Quick's numbers remain as low as they are? No, and neither will Dubnyk's, At some point, these players WILL regress/progress to their career averages.

Whether it be later this season, next season, or next game, the law of averages WILL take affect!

While we're arguing semantics, Dubnyk has ACTUALLY had 8 good games.

You're letting a bad start cloud your vision of Dubnyk and letting a great start by guys like Bishop ad Bernier blind you to the truth. Does the law of averages ring a bell? Bernier won't maintain the numbers he's putting up now. Nor will Varlamov maintain his. Will Quick's numbers remain as low as they are? No, and neither will Dubnyk's, At some point, these players WILL regress to their career averages.

Whether it be later this season, next season, or next game, the law of averages WILL take affect!
- MaximumBone

So Dubynk has regressed to his career average? We're more than 1/4 of the way into the season.

I'm talking about his performance for this WHOLE YEAR, he's been absolutely brutal, and it's not everyones fault but his, he's a big problem.
- SpoiledByOil

Exaggeration.

Beyond his first 5, he's been solid more often than not. And even fantastic some nights

What if Bishop hadn't made that save? Would you have blamed him?

Do you want me to find videos of EVERY GOALIE IN THE NHL getting beat on 2 on 1s?
- Morris

..........Yes.

Exaggeration.

Beyond his first 5, he's been solid more often than not. And even fantastic some nights
- hugefemale dog77

wow, just wow.

hasn't played well is an understatement. The difference is being 2nd last in the league when with even slightly below average goaltending would have us closer to the middle of the pack. We're not playing like a playoff team at all, but we're not playing as the 2nd worst team in the league either.
- SpoiledByOil

That's deceiving too. We played like far and away the worst team the league over the first 10 games and Dubnyk was bad, but both he and the team have played markedly better over the stretch. It's just hard to make gains in such a competitive league.

hasn't played well is an understatement. The difference is being 2nd last in the league when with even slightly below average goaltending would have us closer to the middle of the pack. We're not playing like a playoff team at all, but we're not playing as the 2nd worst team in the league either.
- SpoiledByOil

That's deceiving too. We played like far and away the worst team the league over the first 10 games and Dubnyk was bad, but both he and the team have played markedly better over the stretch. It's just hard to make gains in such a competitive league.

While we're arguing semantics, Dubnyk has ACTUALLY had 8 good games.

You're letting a bad start cloud your vision of Dubnyk and letting a great start by guys like Bishop ad Bernier blind you to the truth. Does the law of averages ring a bell? Bernier won't maintain the numbers he's putting up now. Nor will Varlamov maintain his. Will Quick's numbers remain as low as they are? No, and neither will Dubnyk's, At some point, these players WILL regress to their career averages.

Whether it be later this season, next season, or next game, the law of averages WILL take affect!
- MaximumBone

This

I'm probably coming off as an ass and I apologize, but like a lot of you, I'm beyond frustrated with this poop.
- SpoiledByOil

And that's fine, but to direct all of your frustration towards one piece of this team when that piece has been far from the the biggest issue of late is wrong. Yes, Dubnyk had a horrendous start (probably the worst I've ever seen), but there's plenty of reasons to explain why he struggled as badly as he did.

This
- hugefemale dog77

Show me these 8 good games he's had. I had him in my hockey pool, he's had 4 good games this year, that's it, just 4, and we won 3 of the 4 where he actually played good.

And that's fine, but to direct all of your frustration towards one piece of this team when that piece has been far from the the biggest issue of late is wrong. Yes, Dubnyk had a horrendous start (probably the worst I've ever seen), but there's plenty of reasons to explain why he struggled as badly as he did.
- MaximumBone

He hasn't been far from the biggest problem, he's not the only problem, but he's the biggest problem. Goaltending IS the reason we're second last in the team, if he was playing good would we be in the playoffs with the other problems on the team? Most likely not, but we would be competing at least.

So Dubynk has regressed to his career average? We're more than 1/4 of the way into the season.
- SpoiledByOil

My apologies, I meant to write regress/rediscover, but that's beside the point. All goalies have sub-par years. Look at Quick last year when he started the first 10 or so game with a sub .900 sv % and was allowing around 3.00 GAA/game. Goalies have bad starts, but for the most part, they'll bounce back. Dubnyk's bad start was just accentuated by:

1.) New system stuggles
2.) Young team that can't figure out defense
3.) New pad sizes
4.) Increased expectations

Now he's over those things and seems to have turned a corner of late.

wow, just wow.
- SpoiledByOil

Well, he's played in 18 i believe.

So according to my 'beyond his first 5' parameters, we need to determine 13 games.

He's won 5 in that stretch i think, so we can say he at least played solid enough to win those games. No?
And as i said, he Played great in 2 of those, ottawa and mtl.

We were shutout in 3 of the remaining 6 or 7 so we cant really blame those losses on him can we?..we were completely outclassed in another 2 or 3 games, but he still gave us a chance. What's left?

Simple math really..

Well, he's played in 18 i believe.

So according to my beyond his first 5 parameters, we need to determine 13 games.

He's won 5 or 6 in that stretch, so we can say he at least played solid enough to win those games. No?
Played great in 2 of those, ottawa and mtl.

We were shutout in 3 of the remaining 6, so we cant blame those losses on him can we?..outclassed in another 2 or 3 of em. What's left?

Simple math really..
- hugefemale dog77

I think Colorado is a great comparison to the Oilers as far as having young talented core of players, Colorado maybe slightly more developed. Do they have good defense in Colorado, was that not what everyone said was their biggest issue last year? They've scored 70 goals this year and the Oilers have scored 64, they did nothing to improve their poopty defense where the Oilers did improve on their defense. So Colorado did absolutely nothing to improve on their D, they have a very similar core group of young talent. They're 17-6-0, Oilers are 7-16-2. So one team improved their defense and one didn't, are you trying to tell me that the goaltending that they're receiving and the goaltending we're receiving has nothing to do with their standings? Is their defense that much better than the Oilers where they can score only 6 more goals than us but have 10 more wins?

You guys are acting like we're Philly this year, Philly started off horribly defensively and couldn't score any goals at all, they received good goaltending but couldn't win. Now that the team is picking it up they're starting to win. What's the difference between Phillys slow start and Edmontons? The goaltending, why is Philly starting to pick it up but the Oilers aren't? Because their offense is catching up to their goaltending, our goaltending is going nowhere.

I think Colorado is a great comparison to the Oilers as far as having young talented core of players, Colorado maybe slightly more developed. Do they have good defense in Colorado, was that not what everyone said was their biggest issue last year? They've scored 70 goals this year and the Oilers have scored 64, they did nothing to improve their poopty defense where the Oilers did improve on their defense. So Colorado did absolutely nothing to improve on their D, they have a very similar core group of young talent. They're 17-6-0, Oilers are 7-16-2. So one team improved their defense and one didn't, are you trying to tell me that the goaltending that they're receiving and the goaltending we're receiving has nothing to do with their standings? Is their defense that much better than the Oilers where they can score only 6 more goals than us but have 10 more wins?
- SpoiledByOil

Law of averages. Varlamov is NOT a .932 goalie, Andre Benoit is NOT a top-4 Dman (nor is Guenin and NHL Dman), and Duchene, Stastny, and Pareteau will NOT continue to score on above +18% of their shots.

I think Colorado is a great comparison to the Oilers as far as having young talented core of players, Colorado maybe slightly more developed. Do they have good defense in Colorado, was that not what everyone said was their biggest issue last year? They've scored 70 goals this year and the Oilers have scored 64, they did nothing to improve their poopty defense where the Oilers did improve on their defense. So Colorado did absolutely nothing to improve on their D, they have a very similar core group of young talent. They're 17-6-0, Oilers are 7-16-2. So one team improved their defense and one didn't, are you trying to tell me that the goaltending that they're receiving and the goaltending we're receiving has nothing to do with their standings? Is their defense that much better than the Oilers where they can score only 6 more goals than us but have 10 more wins?
- SpoiledByOil

their goaltending at the beginning was completely off the charts, unsustainably good. Giguere had like a 1.2 gaa in his first 4 or spmething. And varly was amazing in his 10 starts too.
Theyve both come back to earth and the team record is too.

I think that hot start was as inexplicable as ours in the opposite sense.

Talk to some avs fans and they talk about how strong their system was working. Defence was FAR better regardless of the names. And the depth, and defensive play of their forward group has blown ours away.

Dubnyk is not as bad as the start he had.
And neither is varly as good as the start he had.