Streit tends to be a minus player on teams where not many players are plus players. He has finished as a plus player.
- JAKEw1234

Are you trying to argue that Streit is better than Carle?

Are you trying to argue that Streit is better than Carle?
- PhillySportsGuy

Nope, never said that.

I don't understand why you keep saying they aren't a slow defense. Their top 6 right now is all average or below average skaters. Coburn is the only decent skater, but he rarely uses his skating for offense. He never jumps into plays or skates the puck through the neutral zone.
- PhillySportsGuy

They're not the fastest D corps, for sure, but not the slowest either...it's not all about speed anyway...was Pronger a fast/quick skater? (Not saying anyone here is Pronger, but simply making a point about it's not all skating)...it's not like they're so slow they're routinely getting beat off the rush like back when we had guys like bum-knee stage Hatcher and bum back Rathje out there. As far as Coburn, I have to disagree here too... he absolutely does skate the puck up through the neutral zone (you say never)...and he does, in fact, jump into the play...his game is real streaky, but for the past 12 games or so he's been in that more confident mode and been active in skating the puck in transition and making offensive plays.

Also, stop saying Grossmann and Schenn move well for their size. They don't move well for their size and even if they did, it doesn't matter because they don't move well in terms of an average defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy

I disagree, and uh, sorry, but I'm not going to stop saying something because you don't agree with it...I have seen many plays where Grossmann has beat his man back to a puck or for an icing...he does a good job of pinching and skating back without getting beat...he does enough to be impressed with his wheels for a big man...is he mistake free? No...but almost every D man has those times when it just didn't work out...by and large they guy skates well and isn't often beat due to his skating. Schenn seems slower but isn't a traffic cone and like I said before, these guys are physical defensemen who can have an important role on a winning team despite challenges they might have with speed etc.

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Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Blanked in St. Paul, Dissecting Flyers Scoring Woes
- bmeltzer

All Bill's points about the Flyers lack of scoring are all valid but at the same time I don't feel like the Flyers have scoring woes. Last night for example, Josh Harding is an unbelievable goaltender with a bright future and let's take nothing away from the Wild's game plan. The Wild have an unbelievable home record so far this season.

I'm becoming more and more disappeared with Jake Voracek. He's had at least two solid opportunities in his last two games on the Power Play and has really screwed up his chances. The Power Play has looked great but has had some finish but still could be much better.

All Bill's points about the Flyers lack of scoring are all valid but at the same time I don't feel like the Flyers have scoring woes. Last night for example, Josh Harding is an unbelievable goaltender with a bright future and let's take nothing away from the Wild's game plan. The Wild have an unbelievable home record so far this season.

I'm becoming more and more disappeared with Jake Voracek. He's had at least two solid opportunities in his last two games on the Power Play and has really screwed up his chances. The Power Play has looked great but has had some finish but still could be much better.
- Schenn2shine

The fact that they are the third lowest scoring team in the NHL means that they have scoring woes. The offense has been very streaky, for a variety of reasons. One is that guys aren't finishing, another is the transition game issues, yet another is a failure to drive the net and score the dirty, greasy goals.

The flip side is, part of it IS simple bad luck, though. Giroux's rang two or three posts in the last few games. Voracek couldn't push a puck into the net that was sitting on the goal line.

But they do need to keep driving the net and playing hard and smart to create more luck

The fact that they are the third lowest scoring team in the NHL means that they have scoring woes. The offense has been very streaky, for a variety of reasons. One is that guys aren't finishing, another is the transition game issues, yet another is a failure to drive the net and score the dirty, greasy goals.

The flip side is, part of it IS simple bad luck, though. Giroux's rang two or three posts in the last few games. Voracek couldn't push a puck into the net that was sitting on the goal line.

But they do need to keep driving the net and playing hard and smart to create more luck
- Jsaquella

These scoring woes from a statistical standpoint to me come from October. The scoring in my opinion has really picked up in November.

At the same time, the team should live and die based on what Giroux and Lecavalier do. The third line has been outstanding but none of us can expect Read, Downie and Couturier to carry the load nightly, especially while they're trying to shut the opposition at the same time.

These scoring woes from a statistical standpoint to me come from October. The scoring in my opinion has really picked up in November.

At the same time, the team should live and die based on what Giroux and Lecavalier do. The third line has been outstanding but none of us can expect Read, Downie and Couturier to carry the load nightly, especially while they're trying to shut the opposition at the same time.
- Schenn2shine

The scoring picked up, but even for November, they scored 36 goals in 15 games, which is 2.4 per game, which would have them at 22nd in the NHL.

The top two lines definitely need to pick it up and produce. Zero question about that.

Just wondering what you guys would part with for Kesler and Edler.

The scoring picked up, but even for November, they scored 36 goals in 15 games, which is 2.4 per game, which would have them at 22nd in the NHL.

The top two lines definitely need to pick it up and produce. Zero question about that.
- Jsaquella

When healthy, I'm not really worried about whether or not they can score, as much as I am worried about them stupidly shooting themselves in the foot somehow by giving the puck away. The turnovers concern me more than anything.

how goes it everyone? i know you looked a little sluggish against the wild, but i couldve sworn you guys were scoring at a much better clip than early on.

Flyers have a lot of good pieces. Has to be a way to get an Enstrom type. What's it take to get Enstrom if Coburn is in the deal?

Florida has scratched Dmitri Kulikov. Garrioch says they are stepping up efforts to move him
- Jsaquella

What's the problem with him in Florida? Or are they just looking to get more assets by trading one?

You guys see the Roussel penalty shot followed by taunting the Chicago crowd?

What's the problem with him in Florida? Or are they just looking to get more assets by trading one?
- wolfhounds

He wants top defenseman money and hasn't proven he's more than a good young player with a lot of upside...basically he's looking for money for potential, rather than performance so far...and the KHL carrot is a very real spectre hanging over him.

As Butsy just tweeted me, Bob McKenzie says that the KHL is looming for Kulikov, if he doesn't get the $$ and term he wants.

He probably wants to be paid very well, on top of the assets that you'd have to move to land him.
- Jsaquella

Good reason for Florida to try to dump him for some prospects and/or picks, especially if they don't feel he's worth the money he and his agent are looking for.

He wants top defenseman money and hasn't proven he's more than a good young player with a lot of upside...basically he's looking for money for potential, rather than performance so far...and the KHL carrot is a very real spectre hanging over him.
- Jsaquella

Yup, just back-reading now. Too big a risk with Kulikov if this is the case.

All Bill's points about the Flyers lack of scoring are all valid but at the same time I don't feel like the Flyers have scoring woes. Last night for example, Josh Harding is an unbelievable goaltender with a bright future and let's take nothing away from the Wild's game plan. The Wild have an unbelievable home record so far this season.

I'm becoming more and more disappeared with Jake Voracek. He's had at least two solid opportunities in his last two games on the Power Play and has really screwed up his chances. The Power Play has looked great but has had some finish but still could be much better.
- Schenn2shine

Harding actually has MS.

This is kind of a Cinderella run for him, and with the unpredictable course the disease takes nobody knows how much time he has left in the league.

These scoring woes from a statistical standpoint to me come from October. The scoring in my opinion has really picked up in November.

At the same time, the team should live and die based on what Giroux and Lecavalier do. The third line has been outstanding but none of us can expect Read, Downie and Couturier to carry the load nightly, especially while they're trying to shut the opposition at the same time.
- Schenn2shine

the team scored some goals against some piss poor teams whoopie! they suck deal with it

Just wondering what you guys would part with for Kesler and Edler.
- golfingsince

nobody?

nobody?
- golfingsince

Love Kesler but we don't really have room for him.

Edler? Simmonds and a 3rd?

Since it seems the boys really need a puck mover how cheap(obviously not money) would it be to take campbell off Florida's hands?

Since it seems the boys really need a puck mover how cheap(obviously not money) would it be to take campbell off Florida's hands?
- jstross

Simmonds Mesz two 2nd's?

Love Kesler but we don't really have room for him.

Edler? Simmonds and a 3rd?
- hereticpride

I was thinking more along the lines of Couturier, Simmonds and a 1st for both of them.

Simmonds Mesz two 2nd's?
- hereticpride

I think that's steep to take on that contract for 3 years? Although contracts are out of control these days so it might not be that out of whack.

I was thinking more along the lines of Couturier, Simmonds and a 1st for both of them.
- golfingsince

both good players, but i dont know if this helps the flyers with what they should be looking to do.