I dont think this team can wait until the deadline. They really need to go after Buff or Campbell and a sniper type forward. You need to move Coburn, Simmonds, and/or Laughton in these deals, it sucks, but its what this team needs.
- youarewrong

The defense isn't the problem, in so much as team-wide coverage breakdowns. One big-name defender, whose acquisition will open up holes on the roster and/or prospect pool, will not solve the problem.

The defense isn't the problem, in so much as team-wide coverage breakdowns. One big-name defender, whose acquisition will open up holes on the roster and/or prospect pool, will not solve the problem.
- jmatchett383

We need more speed on D.

Wings no Zetterberg or Datsyuk tomorrow night.

Can we please talk about the elephant in the room?

If the three players on the "first" line where even moderately producing over where they have been so far, a lot of these 2-1, 1-0 losses would be 2-1, 3-2 wins.

As long as Voracek, Hartnell and Giroux are producing like 2mil per players, this team will not win.

That is a 12.75 million dollar line that has done NOTHING for over a quarter of a season. That number jumps up to 17.275 million dollars next season.

Right now that entire line ain't worth 6 million for the lot.

Your best players need to start being your best players. Its a cliche but it's true.

12 goals and 26 assists combined through 27 games just doesn't cut it.
- MBFlyerfan

This.

Wings no Zetterberg or Datsyuk tomorrow night.
- PLindbergh31

That will certainly help...I haven't seen Detroit play in about a month, but I do recall they're not quite as fast as Minnesota was, so that's a start.

We need more speed on D.
- mikel33

That really would help...it's unfortunate that Gus played himself out of the lineup.

My thoughts from the other thread.

It seems that goaltending has become a non-issue with the acquisitions of Mason and Emery. (Although they both have let in some "shoulda-hads" - nobody is perfect, right?)

It seems that Berube has gotten the offense guys to pay attention to their defensive responsibilities.

What I think I see though, is that the offense has to pay too much attention to defense because the defense, while okay, is still the weak link on this team. I think they do need to make a deal or two to strengthen the defensive corps a bit so they can loosen the reigns a little on the offense to allow them to use their skill and creativity a little more.

But what do I know? :shrug:

Can we please talk about the elephant in the room?

If the three players on the "first" line where even moderately producing over where they have been so far, a lot of these 2-1, 1-0 losses would be 2-1, 3-2 wins.

As long as Voracek, Hartnell and Giroux are producing like 2mil per players, this team will not win.

That is a 12.75 million dollar line that has done NOTHING for over a quarter of a season. That number jumps up to 17.275 million dollars next season.

Right now that entire line ain't worth 6 million for the lot.

Your best players need to start being your best players. Its a cliche but it's true.

12 goals and 26 assists combined through 27 games just doesn't cut it.
- MBFlyerfan

how many of those goals even came at even strength with that full unit on the ice? when is the last time they scored at ES?

it's mind bending how bad they are.

I used to think Buff was a good idea. I don't anymore based on what it'll take to get him. And as for Campbell, it would be a terrible idea. The man can play offensively and that's it. Defensively he is average at best, and being MASSIVELY over-paid. At this point, do not make any stupid moves for the sake of making them.

We do need a puck-mover, but our consistency is what really needs to be changed. Does everyone here think that if we suddenly had a puck-mover we'd be an elite team or something? For me, the effort needs to become more consistent. It seems last night's first period was played by a Flyers team that just did not come out hungry enough.
- Flyers_V88

I think they are consistant. They consistantly look good against teams with a poor forecheck and they consistantly look bad against a team with a good forecheck. Been that way for 3 years now at least. The entire defense needs to change. I keep Schenn and Grossmann around for their defensive play, but change everyone else. IMO campbell would be the perfect pairing with Schenn. Schenn to cover the defensive side and campbell to provide the offensive side. And hopefuly you can get Fla to retain some cap hit. Plus the contract is perfect for us, giving us enough time to groom Morin, Gostisbere, Alt, or Hagg as his replacement.

Wings no Zetterberg or Datsyuk tomorrow night.
- PLindbergh31

how many chances are they going to be handed ...

The defense isn't the problem, in so much as team-wide coverage breakdowns. One big-name defender, whose acquisition will open up holes on the roster and/or prospect pool, will not solve the problem.
- jmatchett383

The defensive side of the defense hasnt been the problem. Moving the puck effectively as Bill said is. I think the defense needs a major overhaul, starting with a Vet puck moving top pairing guy to replace Timonen, followed by a puck moving FA in the offseason and the development of the assetts in the system.

I think if you right the ship on defensive outlets, the offense will right itself own its own. As someone pointed out, this is the team that was top 2 in the league in scoring... Very few difference in the team.... Jagr, Briere(who wasnt great), and JVR(who was mainly injured).

So what is the difference? Matt Carle, and Younger Timonen.

The defense isn't the problem, in so much as team-wide coverage breakdowns. One big-name defender, whose acquisition will open up holes on the roster and/or prospect pool, will not solve the problem.
- jmatchett383

fail for jones....ohh wait...

how many chances are they going to be handed ...
- -davies-

Was thinking the same thing.

Sheesh, the Flyers are getting lucky with facing teams with either their backup goalie or their stars being hurt/banged up.

Can we please talk about the elephant in the room?

If the three players on the "first" line where even moderately producing over where they have been so far, a lot of these 2-1, 1-0 losses would be 2-1, 3-2 wins.

As long as Voracek, Hartnell and Giroux are producing like 2mil per players, this team will not win.

That is a 12.75 million dollar line that has done NOTHING for over a quarter of a season. That number jumps up to 17.275 million dollars next season.

Right now that entire line ain't worth 6 million for the lot.

Your best players need to start being your best players. Its a cliche but it's true.

12 goals and 26 assists combined through 27 games just doesn't cut it.
- MBFlyerfan

ummmm.....this. yeah, this.

I would like to package the Schenn Bros in a trade and how long will Eddie be patient with Homer and this team he has assembled?

I just don't think this team is going to look the way it does now on January 1st.

Wings no Zetterberg or Datsyuk tomorrow night.
- PLindbergh31

it doesn't matter. they don't win in detroit. ever. oh, i'm sorry, 1 win since 1989.

Not Flyers-related, but I wish Philadelphia had fans like these:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/1...uake/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
- jmatchett383

Amazing what their undersized QB is doing.

Hey guys, quick question..

I just canceled my Verizon fios service because I did not like it. does anybody here have Dish? if so, do you get all flyers games?

any reccomendatinos on what to try? all i care about is hbo, golf, and flyers games (most important)

Can we please talk about the elephant in the room?

If the three players on the "first" line where even moderately producing over where they have been so far, a lot of these 2-1, 1-0 losses would be 2-1, 3-2 wins.

As long as Voracek, Hartnell and Giroux are producing like 2mil per players, this team will not win.

That is a 12.75 million dollar line that has done NOTHING for over a quarter of a season. That number jumps up to 17.275 million dollars next season.

Right now that entire line ain't worth 6 million for the lot.

Your best players need to start being your best players. Its a cliche but it's true.

12 goals and 26 assists combined through 27 games just doesn't cut it.
- MBFlyerfan

AMEN

The elephant in the room is that the team is one of the slowest in the NHL.
They also don't have the skill to compete with better teams unless they play near flawless, mistake free hockey at maximum effort.

Sure they can play better.

But they need to play nearly perfect hockey for a full 60 minutes, and play at 100% of their abilities to compete with good teams.

How many teams can do that night in, night out?
About 1/30 or 0/30 more likely.

At 75% effort, and with their stellar goaltending, they can beat some of the weaker teams.

But the reality is, this team as assembled needs to be playing at the maximum effort, without dumb plays, and fully up on their skates for the entire game.

Otherwise they look slow and outclassed by a good team.

They have some nice pieces and some guys that could be better, but overall as a team they are lacking too much.

The elephant in the room is that the team is one of the slowest in the NHL.
They also don't have the skill to compete with better teams unless they play near flawless, mistake free hockey at maximum effort.

Sure they can play better.

But they need to play nearly perfect hockey for a full 60 minutes, and play at 100% of their abilities to compete with good teams.

How many teams can do that night in, night out?
About 1/30 or 0/30 more likely.

At 75% effort, and with their stellar goaltending, they can beat some of the weaker teams.

But the reality is, this team as assembled needs to be playing at the maximum effort, without dumb plays, and fully up on their skates for the entire game.

Otherwise they look slow and outclassed by a good team.

They have some nice pieces and some guys that could be better, but overall as a team they are lacking too much.
- Marc D

sad part is I dont get upset anymore when they lose and I suspect Eddie feels the same way as long as the dollars keep coming

The elephant in the room is that the team is one of the slowest in the NHL.
They also don't have the skill to compete with better teams unless they play near flawless, mistake free hockey at maximum effort.

Sure they can play better.

But they need to play nearly perfect hockey for a full 60 minutes, and play at 100% of their abilities to compete with good teams.

How many teams can do that night in, night out?
About 1/30 or 0/30 more likely.

At 75% effort, and with their stellar goaltending, they can beat some of the weaker teams.

But the reality is, this team as assembled needs to be playing at the maximum effort, without dumb plays, and fully up on their skates for the entire game.

Otherwise they look slow and outclassed by a good team.

They have some nice pieces and some guys that could be better, but overall as a team they are lacking too much.
- Marc D

1000% Agree. And even on those nights where they play the perfect hockey, we're still likely to get beat by a faster team like Tampa

the game was painful to watch. all of your points on why the flyers offense basically sucks are spot on, and the breakout is the biggest culprit of them all. they're amazingly bad coming out of their own end.

when they play a hard checking, puck pressure team they don't score. they have no answer. simple as that.

i feel bad for the goalies. emery was excellent last night. on the first goal, i'd like to know why coots was the guy in the crease trying to cover the wild forward, while timmonen was in the high slot, in no man's land doing virtually nothing.

this team needs an injection of some skill and a little bit of heart.
- hammarby31

Bump

sad part is I dont get upset anymore when they lose and I suspect Eddie feels the same way as long as the dollars keep coming
- vejim

Snider is burning up about losing. He can't stand it.

I was completely apathetic after the first ten games. When they went on their winning streak, me and my emotions got sucked back in, to where losing winnable games makes me mad.

Last night they were so completely outplayed in the first I expected them to be blown out. At the start of the third they turned it up and I was hoping for a miracle. I did get mad when Pominville scored. Another wasted great goaltender effort. The rebound Emery gave up on the second goal wasn't great, but he was stellar up to that point.