I hope the Flyers aren't going to you for scouting.

- PhillySportsGuy

He's right for the most part except for PK. I'd love to have PK. Pair PK with Grossmann. PP, breakouts and GPG will all go up.

Point by point breakdown of his post, please. Show your work.
- Flyskippy

I find it kind of amusing that people are talking about losing Carle. Before we lost him, many were asking for his head. In addition, we were shocked at how much Tampa paid for him. He can pass the puck, and shoot, but that's about it. He can't clear out players in front of the net, he has average speed, and he can't play D very well. So, how would having Carle now help?
And stop the Big Buff drooling. He can clear the net, and has a shot. but that's it. His plus minus is horrible, he turns over the puck, has a speed problem, and is never in perfect shape. Do we really need this as well?
PK Subban? Really? I don't want him on my team. He can hit, and shoot, but that's it. A trophy winner? Really? He is suppose to be a D man. He is more like a one way forward to me.
Most of the very good or better D-men are locked up, and nobody wants to trade them. So, get over it. We don't have much of a choice right now.
Don't go crazy for a MEGA trade. Don't over pay for an over the hill gang member. Don't sign a guy for 3000 years. You just have to pay the price for letting guys develop. That's it. Simple. Patience. It's nice to make the playoffs on a regular basis, but most successful teams rebuild every now, and again. I don't just want to survive the first couple of rounds. I want the Flyers to win the Cup.
Thanks again.

Everything I highlighted, I disagreed with. There was a lot of hyperbole as well. I agree with his final paragraph of not overpaying and waiting. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to a trade if the price was right.

The Flyers will be bad for awhile. Giroux is just playing ridiculously poor and could be the worst contract in the league in a year

I find it kind of amusing that people are talking about losing Carle. Before we lost him, many were asking for his head. In addition, we were shocked at how much Tampa paid for him. He can pass the puck, and shoot, but that's about it. He can't clear out players in front of the net, he has average speed, and he can't play D very well. So, how would having Carle now help?
And stop the Big Buff drooling. He can clear the net, and has a shot. but that's it. His plus minus is horrible, he turns over the puck, has a speed problem, and is never in perfect shape. Do we really need this as well?
PK Subban? Really? I don't want him on my team. He can hit, and shoot, but that's it. A trophy winner? Really? He is suppose to be a D man. He is more like a one way forward to me.
Most of the very good or better D-men are locked up, and nobody wants to trade them. So, get over it. We don't have much of a choice right now.
Don't go crazy for a MEGA trade. Don't over pay for an over the hill gang member. Don't sign a guy for 3000 years. You just have to pay the price for letting guys develop. That's it. Simple. Patience. It's nice to make the playoffs on a regular basis, but most successful teams rebuild every now, and again. I don't just want to survive the first couple of rounds. I want the Flyers to win the Cup.
Thanks again.

Everything I highlighted, I disagreed with. There was a lot of hyperbole as well. I agree with his final paragraph of not overpaying and waiting. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to a trade if the price was right.
- PhillySportsGuy

Thank you. I was bored.

Thank you. I was bored.
- Flyskippy

All that work and all I get is. 'Thank you. I was bored'!?!?!?!?!?!

All that work and all I get is. 'Thank you. I was bored'!?!?!?!?!?!
- PhillySportsGuy

A quote, six clicks of the "B" button, and a couple sentences is "all that work?"

The Flyers will be bad for awhile. Giroux is just playing ridiculously poor and could be the worst contract in the league in a year
- Just5

Substitute "Briere" for "Giroux" and this is a post from 2009-10. Hartnell had a subpar year & Briere's numbers suffered as a result.

I find it kind of amusing that people are talking about losing Carle. Before we lost him, many were asking for his head. In addition, we were shocked at how much Tampa paid for him. He can pass the puck, and shoot, but that's about it. He can't clear out players in front of the net, he has average speed, and he can't play D very well. So, how would having Carle now help?
And stop the Big Buff drooling. He can clear the net, and has a shot. but that's it. His plus minus is horrible, he turns over the puck, has a speed problem, and is never in perfect shape. Do we really need this as well?
PK Subban? Really? I don't want him on my team. He can hit, and shoot, but that's it. A trophy winner? Really? He is suppose to be a D man. He is more like a one way forward to me.
Most of the very good or better D-men are locked up, and nobody wants to trade them. So, get over it. We don't have much of a choice right now.
Don't go crazy for a MEGA trade. Don't over pay for an over the hill gang member. Don't sign a guy for 3000 years. You just have to pay the price for letting guys develop. That's it. Simple. Patience. It's nice to make the playoffs on a regular basis, but most successful teams rebuild every now, and again. I don't just want to survive the first couple of rounds. I want the Flyers to win the Cup.
Thanks again.
- OrangeAndBlack1

Have you watched any of these guys play?

Carle's a good two way defenseman, who can make an outlet pass, skates well and is a capable defensive player. Yes, Tampa gave him too much money, but he'd definitely help the Flyers right now.

Byfuglien has a higher point per game average than Jeff Carter, Vincent Lecavalier and a whole host of other big name forwards over the past few years. He's got a huge shot, great speed for his size and can carry the puck better than anyone currently on the Flyers blueline.

Subban is another elite level offensive defenseman. He is an outstanding passer, has tremendous speed, offensive skills and a nasty streak. He would absolutely be a valuable asset that would greatly help the Flyers.

All of these guys have skill sets that the Flyers do not have on the roster and probably not in the system. Gostisbehere is a very skilled collegiate defenseman, with a lot of potential, but he might never reach the level of play of Byfuglien or Subban-in fact it would be unrealistic to expect that for him.

I want Jagr back.

It just baffles me that the Flyers never got him back after 2012. I mean, seriously? Giroux, 93 points. Hartnell had 37 goals and was an all-star for Santa's sake.

A quote, six clicks of the "B" button, and a couple sentences is "all that work?"
- Scoob

I want Jagr back.

It just baffles me that the Flyers never got him back after 2012. I mean, seriously? Giroux, 93 points. Hartnell had 37 goals and was an all-star for Santa's sake.
- KGBflyers10

Because we needed Streit

All that work and all I get is. 'Thank you. I was bored'!?!?!?!?!?!
- PhillySportsGuy

Yes. Thank you.

A quote, six clicks of the "B" button, and a couple sentences is "all that work?"
- Scoob

- PhillySportsGuy

Well Jsaq did just put you to shame by showing all his work...

Well Jsaq did just put you to shame by showing all his work...
- youarewrong

I just went for the all in one. He actually broke it down. Once again, my laziness has let me down

- PhillySportsGuy

Four clicks! Careful, bro, you're going to wear yourself out.

I just went for the all in one. He actually broke it down. Once again, my laziness has let me down
- PhillySportsGuy

Don't sell yourself short

Four clicks! Careful, bro, you're going to wear yourself out.


- Scoob

Edit:

and our top line is missing every night
- -davies-

don't we have to have one to missing one

Don't sell yourself short


- Jsaquella

Thanks, man. I needed that

Matt Carle would have been a difference maker had Suter's shine not caught Homer's eye...
- youarewrong

I doubt he would have been much of an impact had he stayed. He rarely carried the puck up the ice so he's not a puck carrier and he wasn't exactly steady with the puck in his own zone (soemtimes downright scary)...as far as his puck moving, most of the time he really just made a basic pass (D to D or standard pass to forward), usually from a static position (behind the net or on his D side position)deep in the zone, the occasional home run stretch pass attempt notwithstanding. Carle has been fairly pedestrian with the Bolts..I'd bet big money Yzerman wouldn't have made that signing if he had it to do over again.

I think the argument for the team needing a puck moving D man, while a common argument, is a bit misguided. Timonen, Coburn, Grossmann, Streit, even Schenn, Gusty, Mez...the Flyers have D corps that are as capable of moving the puck as well as many of the teams above them in the standings. How did San Jose continue to win without Boyle in the lineup? Colorado isn't exactly loaded with puck moving D. Could the team use a Byfuglien, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Yandle? Sure, every team can. I believe it is mostly other issues that are more responsible for holding the team back. One thing I notice from watching other good teams is their forwards help out alot more in carrying the puck out of the defensive zone and up the ice...that can greatly mitigate the impact of a lack of puck moving (perceived or otherwise) acumen from the D men.

I doubt he would have been much of an impact had he stayed. He rarely carried the puck up the ice so he's not a puck carrier and he wasn't exactly steady with the puck in his own zone (soemtimes downright scary)...as far as his puck moving, most of the time he really just made a basic pass (D to D or standard pass to forward), usually from a static position (behind the net or on his D side position)deep in the zone, the occasional home run stretch pass attempt notwithstanding. Carle has been fairly pedestrian with the Bolts..I'd bet big money Yzerman wouldn't have made that signing if he had it to do over again.

I think the argument for the team needing a puck moving D man, while a common argument, is a bit misguided. Timonen, Coburn, Grossmann, Streit, even Schenn, Gusty, Mez...the Flyers have D corps that are as capable of moving the puck as well as many of the teams above them in the standings. How did San Jose continue to win without Boyle in the lineup? Colorado isn't exactly loaded with puck moving D. Could the team use a Byfuglien, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Yandle? Sure, every team can. I believe it is mostly other issues that are more responsible for holding the team back. One thing I notice from watching other good teams is their forwards help out alot more in carrying the puck out of the defensive zone and up the ice...that can greatly mitigate the impact of a lack of puck moving (perceived or otherwise) acumen from the D men.
- exlund

The way this defensive group handles pressure makes me pine for the days of Matt Carle.

and our top line is missing every night
- -davies-

Well played

I doubt he would have been much of an impact had he stayed. He rarely carried the puck up the ice so he's not a puck carrier and he wasn't exactly steady with the puck in his own zone (soemtimes downright scary)...as far as his puck moving, most of the time he really just made a basic pass (D to D or standard pass to forward), usually from a static position (behind the net or on his D side position)deep in the zone, the occasional home run stretch pass attempt notwithstanding. Carle has been fairly pedestrian with the Bolts..I'd bet big money Yzerman wouldn't have made that signing if he had it to do over again.

I think the argument for the team needing a puck moving D man, while a common argument, is a bit misguided. Timonen, Coburn, Grossmann, Streit, even Schenn, Gusty, Mez...the Flyers have D corps that are as capable of moving the puck as well as many of the teams above them in the standings. How did San Jose continue to win without Boyle in the lineup? Colorado isn't exactly loaded with puck moving D. Could the team use a Byfuglien, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Yandle? Sure, every team can. I believe it is mostly other issues that are more responsible for holding the team back. One thing I notice from watching other good teams is their forwards help out alot more in carrying the puck out of the defensive zone and up the ice...that can greatly mitigate the impact of a lack of puck moving (perceived or otherwise) acumen from the D men.
- exlund

The problem is, far too often a good aggressive forecheck stymies the Flyers. The go from Laviolette's high wire act to Berube's more defense first system and they have the same troubles against teams that ape the Devils, and clog the neutral zone.

Certainly the forwards could be better in puck support, and yes the defensemen ARE capable of making simple outlet passes, but far too often opposing teams can simply press the Flyers defense and keep them from being able to get out of their end with any speed, prevent them from getting through center with speed and then prevent them from entering the zone with speed.

It would greatly help if they had a guy capable of simply being a threat to carry the puck out of the defensive zone and generate speed to counter attack a strong forecheck.

The way this defensive group handles pressure makes me pine for the days of Matt Carle.
- PhillySportsGuy

They have their moments, for sure, as all groups do...but I also think they handle things ok most of the time...I think it's more determined by the extent to which the forwards are there to backcheck and support than it is the inadequacies of the D corps...again, they could be better, but they have guys that can play well enough to do their part just fine, so long as the forwards do theirs.