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youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 3 @ 5:44 PM ET
Yup lack of speed, especially on D, is by far the Flyers biggest weakness. Replacing Kimmo and Mez with 2 guys with good wheels next season is a must. Now they just have to figure out who those guys are and how can they be acquired.
- BiggE


Pitkanen?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:45 PM ET
Me either but they signed off on it and that's where it's headed.
- mayorofangrytown


You will see a lot more "Phoenix" situations if that's the case imo.

I have real doubts how teams like Columbus, Florida, New Jersey, and Winnipeg will be able to keep up with that long term.

Id be tempted to throw Calgary, Edmonton, Nashville and Ottawa who has a cheap owner into that mix also.

Will be a return of the "have" teams having a bigger advantage over the "have not" teams. Not a sustainable model imo. Especially when you want more parity in the league.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 3 @ 5:46 PM ET
I really want a guy who isn't horrific in his own end, good enough to be a top 4 that can actually transition the puck with it on his stick.

It would really help the overall balance of the team because a d-man can make all the quick passes he wants... If its going to the majority of the forward crew as constructed they wont be able to do poop with it anyway.

How many times do you watch NHL teams, and they have d-men who skate the puck up the ice, or are threats to hit the net. Not even saying score a goal. The Flyers don't have 1 d-man on the back end that can do that.

- flyer_nutter



When they started winning, they were putting together sequences of short, quick passes that got them up the ice and through the neutral zone with very little risk and genuine consistency... toward the end of the streak, the passes started getting longer and longer, there was more stuff going E-W, and it wasn't surprising that they started struggling to get anything done.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:47 PM ET
Too bad. Keep up or Bye-bye.
- youarewrong


Capitalism and corporatism ladies and gets.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 3 @ 5:48 PM ET
They could have more than 20 million in cap space this off season.
- mayorofangrytown

Cap room.... What is it good for, absolutley nuthin. oh ah good god.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 3 @ 5:50 PM ET
Capitalism and corporatism ladies and gets.
- flyer_nutter


Wow. I never thought I would live to see the day someone at capitalism in the USA. This is a sad state of events... Or I should say a sad socialist Marxist state of events.

Edit... This literally makes me sick to my stomach.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:50 PM ET
Wow. I never thought I would live to see the day someone at capitalism in the USA. This is a sad state of events... Or I should say a sad socialist Marxist state of events.
- youarewrong


4Real?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:51 PM ET
4Real?
- flyer_nutter


Don't bite. It will never end.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:52 PM ET
Don't bite. It will never end.
- PhillySportsGuy


Thankfully the boring hockey I have watched this season has not only made me somewhat apathetic to the team (Crims loves when I make this reference haha).

Also apathetic to HB somewhat. No worries.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:54 PM ET
Thankfully the boring hockey I have watched this season has not only made me somewhat apathetic to the team (Crims loves when I make this reference haha).

Also apathetic to HB somewhat. No worries.

- flyer_nutter


I feel ya. I don't get as nervous and excited for Flyers games as I used to. They are a very boring team to watch because of their impotent offense.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:59 PM ET
I feel ya. I don't get as nervous and excited for Flyers games as I used to. They are a very boring team to watch because of their impotent offense.
- PhillySportsGuy


Doesn't it seem to be, and honestly this could just be because of the Flyers lack of success, but that the league is getting kind of boring itself?

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 6:00 PM ET
I feel ya. I don't get as nervous and excited for Flyers games as I used to. They are a very boring team to watch because of their impotent offense.
- PhillySportsGuy

If the team continues to stay around or below .500 I see a change happening sooner rather than later. 2 years out of the playoffs is something this franchise will not sit around idly and watch happen.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 3 @ 6:00 PM ET
Wow. I never thought I would live to see the day someone at capitalism in the USA. This is a sad state of events... Or I should say a sad socialist Marxist state of events.

Edit... This literally makes me sick to my stomach.

- youarewrong



hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 6:09 PM ET
I wonder if there is a way to facilitate a three team trade for Del Zotto. I just cant imagine the Flyers and Rangers doing a deal straight up.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 3 @ 6:20 PM ET
Yup, it's likely you'll have to pick which one you want, those that have all of those are hard to find & expensive to trade for & keep.
- ob18


Well, last I checked, we have a big stable of young centermen with oodles of promise that could be used to acquire one.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 3 @ 6:21 PM ET
I wonder if there is a way to facilitate a three team trade for Del Zotto. I just cant imagine the Flyers and Rangers doing a deal straight up.
- hereticpride


Bob Froese for Kjell Samuelsson

Eric Lindros for Jan Hlavac, Pavel Brendl, Kim Johnsson & a 3rd rounder

Danny Syvret for Kris Newbury
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 6:22 PM ET
Havent backread everything today but just took a look at league wide stats. The Flyers are currently tied with Carolina for 2nd to last in the league in goals per game. Buffalo is the only team ranked lower. And that team is essentially all in to tank.

Dark times. Dark times indeed.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 3 @ 6:26 PM ET
Zetterberg out two weeks with herniated disc per Ek.

Even though it helps the Flyers, I'd almost rather he was playing.
I love to watch him play.

- Marc D


I barely do anythinh at work and I've beeb out for 3 weeks with a herniated disc I want his doctor!
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 3 @ 6:31 PM ET
Losing Carle hurt a ton bc it was donr poorly. If you're not going to resign him than trade him at thedeadline for something. IInstead we got nothing.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 3 @ 6:36 PM ET
Capitalism and corporatism ladies and gets.
- flyer_nutter


So keep the panthers and their 10 fans leeching off big revenue teams and using the money we give them to exist on players we may want to sign?

Socialistic economics always fails. Not if, when. Every. Single. Time.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 3 @ 6:39 PM ET
Losing Carle hurt a ton bc it was donr poorly. If you're not going to resign him than trade him at thedeadline for something. IInstead we got nothing.
- Flyersgod

This is why if we're gonna miss the playoffs again I want us to miss in grand fashion. "Sign sealed delivered we're out of it" at the deadline bad. Get something, anything for Kimmo. Let teams kick the tires on Downie(I'd prefer to keep him tho) and hope the bidding goes high.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 3 @ 7:09 PM ET
Wow. I never thought I would live to see the day someone at capitalism in the USA. This is a sad state of events... Or I should say a sad socialist Marxist state of events.

Edit... This literally makes me sick to my stomach.

- youarewrong


To go down this rabbit hole, capitalism barely exists in the United States because there is no "free market". And if you think the market is free, you must not have ever heard of Wall St.

Edit: Further, who builds most of the stadiums all the sports teams play in?

Taxpayers.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 3 @ 7:14 PM ET
So keep the panthers and their 10 fans leeching off big revenue teams and using the money we give them to exist on players we may want to sign?

Socialistic economics always fails. Not if, when. Every. Single. Time.

- Flyersgod


And true Capitalism always leads to one place: Monopolies. Also a failure, at least for the vast majority of people on the planet.

And the NFL seems to be doing ok.

wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 3 @ 7:17 PM ET
I feel ya. I don't get as nervous and excited for Flyers games as I used to. They are a very boring team to watch because of their impotent offense.
- PhillySportsGuy


They are definitely not a dynamic team. It's good to watch Couts develop, but most everybody else is flat-line boring or a flat-out disappointment at this point in the season.

A spark seems to be missing from this team. The question is why?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 3 @ 7:19 PM ET
And true Capitalism always leads to one place: Monopolies. Also a failure, at least for the vast majority of people on the planet.

And the NFL seems to be doing ok.

- wolfhounds

Well said. This country once passed laws to stop/negate monopolies. I guess we forgot about that. Just ask the middle class, oh wait, that's gone too.
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