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Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:29 PM ET
Everytime I see someone wanting Yakupov here I think of these quotes from him:


“I love more playing with the puck. I don’t really like playing without the puck, skate all the time and do forecheck and hit somebody every shift — I don’t think it’s my game. I try to do it some time, but I’m not here to crush everything. I just want to play hockey.”

“I’m not going to change,” adding, “I really don’t like skating all the time, and forechecking, and hitting somebody every shift.”

- Yakupov, in Oct. 2013

Also, there's this:

"From what I see, his team game is really, really poor. He tries to do a lot of things by himself, he has absolutely no defense."

“That’s what really concerns us as scouts.” Igor Kravchuk - Russian Olympic Scout


Not sure if that's the type of player you give up so much to obtain.

- exlund


He will fit right in with the new nhl with no hitting or fighting. Khl hockey is so exciting without hitting snd fighting. Its amazing to watch....... said no one ever.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 5 @ 1:29 PM ET
They should be reserved for franchise type players.
I'm sure there will be disagreement about this.
Just how I feel.

- Marc D

If you're in the league in your 30's you're a pretty special hockey player and have earned the right. At that point, most of the guys have young families.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 5 @ 1:29 PM ET
FWIW: Cousins has 9 pts in 20 AHL games this year. I wonder if he continues to progress at the AHL level (i.e.--stays out of Terry Murray's dog house), if he could contend for a spot in the bottom 6 next year possibly.

3 years for Downie is reasonable, IMO.

- johndewar


The alarming thing there is that I think he had all 9 of those points early in the season.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 5 @ 1:31 PM ET
if anything just call a penalty on both guys

Couts got his stick across the body which is usually called, but also call the guy for holding it

- Crimsoninja

I'm all in with this because it's actually what happened.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:32 PM ET
But he's sort of a kind of pretty good yet unproven goal scorer. Why aren't we blowing Edmonton away with offers for him?
- jmatchett383


Zherdev 2.0.

As a former republican, my hatred for all things russian has remained within me. Clarke had it right.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 5 @ 1:33 PM ET
B Schenn will be a career 3rd liner whose career is damaged because of the massive expectations of him and the gigantic contract the flyers will offer him based on promise. 10 years 100 million. Hyperbole yes, I know 8 is the max.
- Flyersgod

I don't know what to say to this.
I think he is going to be a top 6 player, hopefully for the Flyers.

I don't think they are going to go batpoop crazy on his next deal.
They made a very good 2nd contract for Couts and I hope they do something similar with B Schenn.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 5 @ 1:34 PM ET
Zherdev 2.0.

As a former republican, my hatred for all things russian has remained within me. Clarke had it right.

- Flyersgod


That's...actually how I see him. I think he was taken first overall in a draft class which was weak with "superstar" players yet strong in good players. Were he taken in the 2013 draft, he would have had a hard time cracking the top 5, let alone top 3.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 5 @ 1:35 PM ET
I don't know what to say to this.
I think he is going to be a top 6 player, hopefully for the Flyers.

I don't think they are going to go batpoop crazy on his next deal.
They made a very good 2nd contract for Couts and I hope they do something similar with B Schenn.

- Marc D


If the cap rises to $67M next year, he can expect an 8-year, $13.4M/year salary, putting him at $107M. Compared to Robinson Cano, that's pennies on the dollar.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 5 @ 1:36 PM ET
The alarming thing there is that I think he had all 9 of those points early in the season.
- jmatchett383


I think I saw where Cousins was a healthy scratch at some point this season. Maybe I'm misremembering.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 5 @ 1:39 PM ET
If the cap rises to $67M next year, he can expect an 8-year, $13.4M/year salary, putting him at $107M. Compared to Robinson Cano, that's pennies on the dollar.
- jmatchett383



Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:40 PM ET
I don't know what to say to this.
I think he is going to be a top 6 player, hopefully for the Flyers.

I don't think they are going to go batpoop crazy on his next deal.
They made a very good 2nd contract for Couts and I hope they do something similar with B Schenn.

- Marc D


Just my opinion. Schenn to me is an average at best player. Doesnt have the skills or speed to be a briere or Giroux. . Doesnt have the talent and composure to be a richards.. I think he'll wind up being a 3rd liner who occasionaly gets to play on other lines with injuries etc.

I was fired up when we got him. He has been nothing close to what I expected, so I'm bitter and biased now.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 5 @ 1:42 PM ET
Just my opinion. Schenn to me is an average at best player. Doesnt have the skills or speed to be a briere or Giroux. . Doesnt have the talent and composure to be a richards.. I think he'll wind up being a 3rd liner who occasionaly gets to play on other lines with injuries etc.

I was fired up when we got him. He has been nothing close to what I expected, so I'm bitter and biased now.

- Flyersgod


I don't think he'll be an annual all star, but I think he can develop into a consistent 20 goal scorer at least.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 5 @ 1:43 PM ET
Just my opinion. Schenn to me is an average at best player. Doesnt have the skills or speed to be a briere or Giroux. . Doesnt have the talent and composure to be a richards.. I think he'll wind up being a 3rd liner who occasionaly gets to play on other lines with injuries etc.

I was fired up when we got him. He has been nothing close to what I expected, so I'm bitter and biased now.

- Flyersgod


Well, his base salary is only $870K, so they only need to offer him $960K to qualify him. I think they've set a baseline with the Couturier deal, much like the used Richards to set a baseline for Carter.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:44 PM ET
Nhl.com needs to work on their mobile sites. Flyers.nhl.com is a complete joke of a site. The app iseven worse. Downright embarassing.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Dec 5 @ 1:49 PM ET
Nhl.com needs to work on their mobile sites. Flyers.nhl.com is a complete joke of a site. The app iseven worse. Downright embarassing.
- Flyersgod

Are you talking about the nhl app or the flyers app? I actually like the flyers app
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:49 PM ET
Well, his base salary is only $870K, so they only need to offer him $960K to qualify him. I think they've set a baseline with the Couturier deal, much like the used Richards to set a baseline for Carter.
- jmatchett383


That contract he had from LAK was terrible.

If he scores 50 pts in a single year I will be shocked.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:49 PM ET
Are you talking about the nhl app or the flyers app? I actually like the flyers app
- aightwebang17


Flyers app.. no frigging highlights!
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:49 PM ET
Well, his base salary is only $870K, so they only need to offer him $960K to qualify him. I think they've set a baseline with the Couturier deal, much like the used Richards to set a baseline for Carter.
- jmatchett383


The market for a player like BSchenn was just set by Kadri (2 years at $2.9m) and Stepan (2 years at 3.075 million).

And both of those guys scored at a 75 point pace last season, BSchenn will be lucky to score 60 this season.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 5 @ 1:50 PM ET
Matt Read or Darren Helm?
I know they play different positions, but I see some similarities in their skills
Who do you like better?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 5 @ 1:51 PM ET
Amorosa update:

7A, 4 PIM, +8 for the Sioux City Musketeers

That is all.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Dec 5 @ 1:52 PM ET
Flyers app.. no frigging highlights!
- Flyersgod

oh, just go to youtube
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Dec 5 @ 1:52 PM ET
Matt Read or Darren Helm?
I know they play different positions, but I see some similarities in their skills
Who do you like better?

- Marc D

Read - better offensive upside and more natural scoring ability. Helm has speed and that's it really...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 5 @ 1:53 PM ET
Matt Read or Darren Helm?
I know they play different positions, but I see some similarities in their skills
Who do you like better?

- Marc D


Read, although I'm usually more inclined to like WHL players.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Dec 5 @ 1:53 PM ET
Matt Read or Darren Helm?
I know they play different positions, but I see some similarities in their skills
Who do you like better?

- Marc D

I would say Read is the better offensive player, no?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 5 @ 1:54 PM ET
Just my opinion. Schenn to me is an average at best player. Doesnt have the skills or speed to be a briere or Giroux. . Doesnt have the talent and composure to be a richards.. I think he'll wind up being a 3rd liner who occasionaly gets to play on other lines with injuries etc.

I was fired up when we got him. He has been nothing close to what I expected, so I'm bitter and biased now.

- Flyersgod


BSchenn is still only 22.

He's too young to write off.

After the Flyers cast off Patrick Sharp, I'm pretty sure he didn't really explode until he was 26 or so.

I'm cool with waiting on BSchenn; I just want more consistency from him. Sometimes, you see him and you see the player he can be. Other times, he looks lost.
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