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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 6 @ 9:36 AM ET
Benn will score a goal tommorow. Flyers are fantastic at getting players out of scoring droughts.
- JoeRussomanno


The Flyers do seem to be pretty good slump busters.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:37 AM ET
I don't think this is true. Flyers pens rivalry had been alive and building momentum for 6 years now. Devils were biggest before that, 90'd into 2000's. Rangers haven't been for awhile now. It's all about playoff meetings. To me what happened 20-30 years ago has minor relevance to what is being carried onto the ice today
- Just5


I still hate the Rags and Devils more. If the Penguins lost Crosby and Malkin tomorrow, the rivalry would die down significantly, but I'll hate the Rangers and Devils no matter who's on the team.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 6 @ 9:41 AM ET
I still hate the Rags and Devils more. If the Penguins lost Crosby and Malkin tomorrow, the rivalry would die down significantly, but I'll hate the Rangers and Devils no matter who's on the team.
- jmatchett383

This
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 6 @ 9:42 AM ET
I don't think this is true. Flyers pens rivalry had been alive and building momentum for 6 years now. Devils were biggest before that, 90'd into 2000's. Rangers haven't been for awhile now. It's all about playoff meetings. To me what happened 20-30 years ago has minor relevance to what is being carried onto the ice today
- Just5


Have you ever met anyone from Pittsburgh?

Most of the folks I've met from Pittsburgh simply dislike Philadelphia, as a city. .

If you asked most people in Philadelphia what their opinion on Pittsburgh was, they probably don't have a real strong opinion. Or, they'll say something about the Steelers. But, people in Philly really don't give the Western part of the state much of a thought.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 6 @ 9:51 AM ET
Flyers Mustache report:

http://video.flyers.nhl.c...ocenter/console?id=493185
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 6 @ 9:52 AM ET
Have you ever met anyone from Pittsburgh?

Most of the folks I've met from Pittsburgh simply dislike Philadelphia, as a city. .

If you asked most people in Philadelphia what their opinion on Pittsburgh was, they probably don't have a real strong opinion. Or, they'll say something about the Steelers. But, people in Philly really don't give the Western part of the state much of a thought.

- johndewar



Plenty. I went to state college back when the pens sucked. There was no rivalry there. Most steeler fans told me they never cared either way about the eagles until they met the obnoxious eagles fans.

I'm a big eagles fan. I understand that until we ever win a freaking super bowl. Nobody will take the eagles seriously
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 6 @ 9:54 AM ET
I still hate the Rags and Devils more. If the Penguins lost Crosby and Malkin tomorrow, the rivalry would die down significantly, but I'll hate the Rangers and Devils no matter who's on the team.
- jmatchett383


this. i hate those (frank)ing teams with every fiber of my being. i really couldn't care less about the penguins outside of crosby and malkin for the most part.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:56 AM ET
Plenty. I went to state college back when the pens sucked. There was no rivalry there. Most steeler fans told me they never cared either way about the eagles until they met the obnoxious eagles fans.

I'm a big eagles fan. I understand that until we ever win a freaking super bowl. Nobody will take the eagles seriously

- Just5


My in laws are all from Pittsburgh. My brother-in-law said he really doesn't care about the Eagles because he doesn't ever see them as a threat.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 6 @ 10:00 AM ET
Plenty. I went to state college back when the pens sucked. There was no rivalry there. Most steeler fans told me they never cared either way about the eagles until they met the obnoxious eagles fans.

I'm a big eagles fan. I understand that until we ever win a freaking super bowl. Nobody will take the eagles seriously

- Just5


Ironically, I probably think Steeler fans are far more obnoxious than Cowboy fans.

Steeler fans have this weird thing about "the right way" that comes off as incredibly self righteous and condescending.

Cowboy fans, at least, have the common decency to accept the fact they've routinely rooted for scum bags and have no pretense of giving a poop about "the right way".
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 6 @ 10:01 AM ET
Big Ben being outed as a total sleazebag must have been tough for them.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 6 @ 10:05 AM ET
Big Ben being outed as a total sleazebag must have been tough for them.
- Feanor


The Mike Tomlin thing has been hilarious to watch play out in the media.

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 6 @ 10:15 AM ET
The Mike Tomlin thing has been hilarious to watch play out in the media.
- johndewar


don't know anything about this. what's the gist?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 6 @ 10:20 AM ET
He impeded a Baltimore returner by getting too close to the field of play.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...ens-jacoby-jones/3868569/
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 6 @ 10:20 AM ET
Pittsburgh is Pennsylvania's version of Buffalo.

No matter how many Carnegie Mellons or Aviary Museums they open, they'll still be the weaker, meth producing little brother with the funny accent in PA.

- johndewar


Come on now. The Penguins are the current biggest rival for the Flyers. Maybe not all-time, but definately currently.

But Pittsburgh is still the estranged little cousin that you love to beat up every time you see him. Everyone in Pittsburg is a Red-head right?
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 6 @ 10:22 AM ET
My all-time hated list is as follows

1.Devils
2.Rangers
3.Penguins
4.Bruins
5.Lightning
6.Sabres

Although Penguins have been #1 on that list the past few years just because they have been a bigger threat than the Devils and Rangers.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 6 @ 10:23 AM ET
this. i hate those (frank)ing teams with every fiber of my being. i really couldn't care less about the penguins outside of crosby and malkin for the most part.
- hammarby31


F that I have a visceral hatred for Neal. Letang I hate also.....too bad batpig left
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 6 @ 10:24 AM ET
Question for Bill,

It does seem like the Flyers and Dallas are perfect trade partners for swaping D. They are undersized and not Physical, we are tooo big and slow with no puck moving. Think Dallas would be interested in a Grossmann and 2nd for Daley or Goligoski deal?
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 6 @ 10:26 AM ET
Question for Bill,

It does seem like the Flyers and Dallas are perfect trade partners for swaping D. They are undersized and not Physical, we are tooo big and slow with no puck moving. Think Dallas would be interested in a Grossmann and 2nd for Daley or Goligoski deal?

- youarewrong


The Flyers defense has been good this season....
Trade Grossmann??? He has been a rock, one of the league leaders in blocked shots. Have you seen him play?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 6 @ 10:27 AM ET
don't know anything about this. what's the gist?
- hammarby31


http://deadspin.com/new-f...ward-the-field-1474951700
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 6 @ 10:28 AM ET
F that I have a visceral hatred for Neal. Letang I hate also.....too bad batpig left
- Just5


The only time to worry about Letang is on the PP. I find him terribly overrated otherwise.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 6 @ 10:29 AM ET
My all-time hated list is as follows

1.Devils
2.Rangers
3.Penguins
4.Bruins
5.Lightning
6.Sabres

Although Penguins have been #1 on that list the past few years just because they have been a bigger threat than the Devils and Rangers.

- GOA88


I go with who I hate the most right now. And to be honest the Penguins are close to surpassing every other team on my all-time list too. I mean they are easily the most dispicable team in the NHL in a long time. For a team that has so much super-star talent, they also play some of the dirtiest hockey (Neal....Cooke...Asham) and whine and dive more than anyone. That is what really gets my goat about them. They have enough talent to win on talent alone, but they still cheap-shot and dive.

My List, all time.
Penguins
Rangers
Toronto
Caps
Devils... Thier fanbase if a joke. Hard to hate a team without any fans.
Tampa
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 6 @ 10:29 AM ET
The only time to worry about Letang is on the PP. I find him terribly overrated otherwise.
- johndewar

Exactly, weak at defense
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 6 @ 10:32 AM ET
The Flyers defense has been good this season....
Trade Grossmann??? He has been a rock, one of the league leaders in blocked shots. Have you seen him play?

- GOA88


I love Grossmann. The defense has been fine defensively, but the offensive problems and those "break-downs" happen because the defense can't move the puck out of the zone.

The only reason I picked Grossmann is because Dallas knows what they are getting in him. He is cheap which increases his value. Coburn for Daley would be almost an even swap, and I dont want to trade low on Schenn for a mid-level puck-moving D-man. So the best choice for a deal to get what the Flyers want from Dallas would be Grossmann IMO.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 6 @ 10:32 AM ET
Serious write-up. Thanks, Bill.
Benn never gives up on a play -- you always see him make that second and third effort.

It's tough not to like that type of player. I haven't seen all that much of Benn, so it will be good to get to watch him tomorrow. The fact he's in a bit of a drought right now is a little scary.
If Benn has a flaw, it's that he sometimes tries to do a little too much when things aren't going well. He'll go into some goal-scoring droughts where he's pulling a lot of his shot attempts high and wide of the net.

That can't be right, I thought only Raffl missed the net high and wide?
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 6 @ 10:34 AM ET
I love Grossmann. The defense has been fine defensively, but the offensive problems and those "break-downs" happen because the defense can't move the puck out of the zone.

The only reason I picked Grossmann is because Dallas knows what they are getting in him. He is cheap with increases his value. Coburn for Daley would be almost an even swap, and I dont want to trade low on Schenn for a mid-level puck-moving D-man. So the best choice for a deal to get what the Flyers want from Dallas would be Grossmann IMO.

- youarewrong

I think Timonen, Streit and Coburn is sufficient. Its more of a system issue to me. Timonen and Streit are 40-50 pt scorers on any other team right now. Flyers dont push the pace. They are really playing a NJ Devils brand of hockey right now.
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