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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 15 @ 5:07 PM ET
WAFFLES!
- JAKEw1234

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 15 @ 5:07 PM ET
WAFFLES!
- JAKEw1234


Good Lord -- that kid is not playing around!
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 15 @ 5:07 PM ET
I don't care if that's Voracek's goal or not.....Michael Raffl. I mean, WTF is THIS coming from.
- johndewar



Part of it is Giroux playing like Giroux also.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 5:07 PM ET
I don't care if that's Voracek's goal or not.....Michael Raffl. I mean, WTF is THIS coming from.
- johndewar

perhaps we need more scouts in Austria?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Dec 15 @ 5:07 PM ET

- 2Real

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 15 @ 5:08 PM ET
So it was Hartnell all along.......
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 15 @ 5:08 PM ET
perhaps we need more scouts in Austria?
- BiggE

get vanek
dillpx183
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Marietta, PA
Joined: 02.26.2011

Dec 15 @ 5:09 PM ET
If you get caught off guard, it happens.
- JAKEw1234


he as standing in net looking right at the play. over think it I guess
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 15 @ 5:09 PM ET
So it was Hartnell all along.......

- MBFlyerfan


And I am in that minority that will defend Hartnell.

But damn. You can't dispute what's happened since they moved Hartnell off that line.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 15 @ 5:09 PM ET
I don't care if that's Voracek's goal or not.....Michael Raffl. I mean, WTF is THIS coming from.
- johndewar


Hockey sense and speed...man, it is so nice to have the top line scoring goals.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Dec 15 @ 5:10 PM ET
he as standing in net looking right at the play. over think it I guess
- dillpx183

Coots has done it before this season, so it's not just this goalie
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 15 @ 5:10 PM ET
Part of it is Giroux playing like Giroux also.
- opeth_pa


I don't know what his metrics look like (possession, SPG, etc) since that Edmonton game where he got his first one, but I feel like they've been better.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 15 @ 5:11 PM ET
And I am in that minority that will defend Hartnell.

But damn. You can't dispute what's happened since they moved Hartnell off that line.

- johndewar


I think you can do both -- Hartnell is simply getting older, but that doesn't mean he won't be able to play and contribute -- I have a feeling Hartnell's going to play better a little lower in the lineup.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 15 @ 5:11 PM ET
Coots has done it before this season, so it's not just this goalie
- JAKEw1234


I was at the game he did that the first itme. That goal seemed more lucky.

I think Coots had no other play and figured "what the hell".
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 15 @ 5:12 PM ET
So it was Hartnell all along.......

- MBFlyerfan

dillpx183
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Marietta, PA
Joined: 02.26.2011

Dec 15 @ 5:14 PM ET
I think you can do both -- Hartnell is simply getting older, but that doesn't mean he won't be able to play and contribute -- I have a feeling Hartnell's going to play better a little lower in the lineup.
- AllInForFlyers


for me it has nothing o do with speed, he was never a good skater. seems like he isn't going to those tough areas and winning battles he used to. and smartly agitating others. I don't know if this has anything to do with how he feels being anoterh year older but if he sint doing those things he sint going to be overly successful.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Dec 15 @ 5:15 PM ET
he just said vorachuck... oh vey...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 15 @ 5:15 PM ET
This has been a pretty damn good game so far. All lines playing well. Simmonds got that goon with a few nice rights.

Got a pair for the home game vs. Washington this week. PM me if you're intrested.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 15 @ 5:15 PM ET
he just said vorachuck... oh vey...
- Yosimar89

you just said oh vey, oh vey
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 5:16 PM ET
for me it has nothing o do with speed, he was never a good skater. seems like he isn't going to those tough areas and winning battles he used to. and smartly agitating others. I don't know if this has anything to do with how he feels being anoterh year older but if he sint doing those things he sint going to be overly successful.
- dillpx183

This
dillpx183
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Marietta, PA
Joined: 02.26.2011

Dec 15 @ 5:17 PM ET
he just said vorachuck... oh vey...
- Yosimar89


so just how many pucks can a varachuck chuck?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 15 @ 5:17 PM ET
for me it has nothing o do with speed, he was never a good skater. seems like he isn't going to those tough areas and winning battles he used to. and smartly agitating others. I don't know if this has anything to do with how he feels being anoterh year older but if he sint doing those things he sint going to be overly successful.
- dillpx183


Hartnell's just not getting to those spots -- Raffl got to at least three pucks on one shift that Hartnell just can't get to anymore, on a dump-in, forecheck and then cycle play where Voracek threw it around.

OK. How about this: Raffl's faster. That's fair to say, right?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 15 @ 5:18 PM ET
so just how many pucks can a varachuck chuck?
- dillpx183

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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 15 @ 5:20 PM ET
Hartnell's just not getting to those spots -- Raffl got to at least three pucks on one shift that Hartnell just can't get to anymore, on a dump-in, forecheck and then cycle play where Voracek threw it around.

OK. How about this: Raffl's faster. That's fair to say, right?

- AllInForFlyers

I would say he's faster and he makes better, smarter decisions with puck. He's more responsible defensively as well.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 15 @ 5:20 PM ET
Hartnell's just not getting to those spots -- Raffl got to at least three pucks on one shift that Hartnell just can't get to anymore, on a dump-in, forecheck and then cycle play where Voracek threw it around.

OK. How about this: Raffl's faster. That's fair to say, right?

- AllInForFlyers


I think that's fair and probably true.

It's kinda obvious that Berube seems to really trust Raffl, as well.

What's going to happen when Vinny gets back? It's a ways off, sure, and who's to say Raffl can keep this up, but he's making it tough right now on Berube and Holmgren.
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