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Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:45 PM ET
I know he did the Perron/PVR deal. What else has he done?
- whipper334

Moved the "captain" Shawn Horcoff. Fixed our FO issue. Brought in some Ference and Belov who were nice additions to the back end.

He filled a lot of holes, unfortunately he didn't fill the top pairing d and didn't get a goalie. Although in the summer I had more faith in Dubnyk
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 4:46 PM ET
Some of the UFA signings have been good! Excluding the goalie he just traded away lol. How about working magic to get rid of Horcoff?. He did claim Gazdic off waivers, he has been an enforcement beast.
- ChetManly



Yeah, that Horcoff trade was great, same with Perron and Gordon. Thought he overpaid for Ference though.


And to be fair to him, I don't think anyone thought Dubnyk would be this bad.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Dec 18 @ 4:46 PM ET
I know he did the Perron/PVR deal. What else has he done?
- whipper334

Gordon was an excellent signing. Getting rid of Horcoff for Larsen. Perron. Ference.

He's had many deals fall through too. Busiest gm in hockey by most peoples accounts.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:47 PM ET
Yeah, that Horcoff trade was great, same with Perron and Gordon. Thought he overpaid for Ference though.


And to be fair to him, I don't think anyone thought Dubnyk would be this bad.

- Nucker101

Overpaid Gordon probably a female genitalia hair as well, but that's the price you pay when you are a bottom feeder in Canada.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Dec 18 @ 4:49 PM ET
Gordon was an excellent signing. Getting rid of Horcoff for Larsen. Perron. Ference.

He's had many deals fall through too. Busiest gm in hockey by most peoples accounts.

- Iggysbff

Almost or wanted to do trades don't amount to jackpoop
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 4:50 PM ET
It'd be bittersweet.

If he had landed his "planned" moves of Schneider, Clarkson and Braydon Coburn, we'd be a better team today.

- Morris

True!
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 4:52 PM ET
Almost or wanted to do trades don't amount to jackpoop
- Yeti1181

Also true!
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:52 PM ET
Almost or wanted to do trades don't amount to jackpoop
- Yeti1181

I agree, but he still added 3 pieces that were an instant success and weren't 4th liners or #7 d-men.

Anyone that is pissed because guys like Grebs or Acton failed need to give their head a shake. No GM that makes more than 2 off-season deals goes mistake free.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 4:52 PM ET
Overpaid Gordon probably a female genitalia hair as well, but that's the price you pay when you are a bottom feeder in Canada.
- Lahey



I thought the Gordon deal was solid, he's a perfect 3rd line center and with the cap going up, that's a good deal(especially considering he was a UFA).
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Dec 18 @ 4:53 PM ET
I agree, but he still added 3 pieces that were an instant success and weren't 4th liners or #7 d-men.

Anyone that is pissed because guys like Grebs or Acton failed need to give their head a shake. No GM that makes more than 2 off-season deals goes mistake free.

- Lahey

No cant really put a lot on Mac t he couldn't have seen dub poopting the bed early on and our d not geling.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Dec 18 @ 4:54 PM ET
Almost or wanted to do trades don't amount to jackpoop
- Yeti1181

They don't. But they show he's trying.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:55 PM ET
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The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:56 PM ET
They don't. But they show he's trying.
- Iggysbff


I heard Feaster tried to get Crosby
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:58 PM ET
No cant really put a lot on Mac t he couldn't have seen dub poopting the bed early on and our d not geling.
- Yeti1181

The thing is he saw DD poopting the bed and tried to prevent it. As for our d not geling, geling has nothing to do with it. They flat out don't have a top pairing to ease the load.

People think MacT are stupid and doesn't know what he's doing, yet the 3 moves that he tried he's hardest to do are 3 moves that we are/were begging him to make now.

Top 6 physical guy-Clarkson
Top pairing d-man- Coburn
Top goal- got Ilya now and has been great, but did try get Schneider.


Maybe those aren't the right pieces, but they were the holes we faced/face and he tried to plug them with the best options out there.

Even if Clarkson was a bust here, he'd still be a physical presence to protect our kids in the top 6 with 70+ hits in 24 games.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:59 PM ET
I heard Feaster tried to get Crosby
- The-O-G

He legitimately tried to acquire available assets. Clarkson I doubt we could've done anything more same as Schneider, maybe in hindsight he should've paid for Coburn.
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:00 PM ET
I heard Feaster tried to get Crosby
- The-O-G

Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Dec 18 @ 5:01 PM ET
He legitimately tried to acquire available assets. Clarkson I doubt we could've done anything more same as Schneider, maybe in hindsight he should've paid for Coburn.
- Lahey

Clarkson seemed pretty set on the leafs which boggles my mind how they still overpaid
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Dec 18 @ 5:02 PM ET
I know he did the Perron/PVR deal. What else has he done?
- whipper334

Signings
Ference
Gordon
Joensuu
Miller (AHL)
Belov
Grebs
Labarbera
Joensuu
Bachman
Bryz
Acton
Hamilton

Draft
Nurse. At the draft, turned a 37th overall into an 83rd, 88th, 94th, 96th, and 113th pick and drafted a variety of organization depth.

Re-Signings
Let Plante, Teubert, Cornet, Vandevelde, Smithson, Hordichuk, Petrell, Fistric, Reddox, Whitney, Khabibulin, Danis, Hartikainen and Peckham walk.
bought out Belanger
Jones
Arco
Gagner
Nuge

Trades
Horcoff for Larsen + 7th.
Pajaarvi + 2nd for Perron
Gazdic off of waivers
Smid + Roy for Horak + Brossoit
Brown for 4th
Labarbera for Futures

Other
Fired Krueger, Hired Dallas
Acton as Associate Coach
Hired Howson in some backroom capacity
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Dec 18 @ 5:04 PM ET
Yeah, that Horcoff trade was great, same with Perron and Gordon. Thought he overpaid for Ference though.


And to be fair to him, I don't think anyone thought Dubnyk would be this bad.

- Nucker101

Tons of Oilers fans have been bragging about being able to tell that Dubnyk was going to go from a .920 to a .880 save percentage in front of a better team.

Don't know why they're not the management group
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:05 PM ET
Signings
Ference
Gordon
Joensuu
Miller (AHL)
Belov
Grebs
Labarbera
Joensuu
Bachman
Bryz
Acton
Hamilton

Draft
Nurse. At the draft, turned a 37th overall into an 83rd, 88th, 94th, 96th, and 113th pick and drafted a variety of organization depth.

Re-Signings
Let Plante, Teubert, Cornet, Vandevelde, Smithson, Hordichuk, Petrell, Fistric, Reddox, Whitney, Khabibulin, Danis, Hartikainen and Peckham walk.
bought out Belanger
Jones
Arco
Gagner
Nuge

Trades
Horcoff for Larsen + 7th.
Pajaarvi + 2nd for Perron
Gazdic off of waivers
Smid + Roy for Horak + Brossoit
Brown for 4th
Labarbera for Futures

Other
Fired Krueger, Hired Dallas
Acton as Associate Coach
Hired Howson in some backroom capacity

- Morris

Jesus he's been busy!
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:05 PM ET
Clarkson seemed pretty set on the leafs which boggles my mind how they still overpaid
- Yeti1181



The term is the worse part. And just look at his career stats, that doesn't really jump out as a 5 million dollar, 7 year contract type of guy. Especially since his best seasons came playing with a guy named Kovalchuck.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:06 PM ET
Clarkson seemed pretty set on the leafs which boggles my mind how they still overpaid
- Yeti1181

Wade Redden paraphrase when asked about his new york deal "of course I wanted to play in NYR, they were my number one target. Plus they gave more money and more years than anyone. Then they even offered me a NTC/NMC. What's not to like?"

Redden, Drury and Gomez could've all been had for below market as they all made it known they wanted the Rangers. Yet Slats made them 3 of the worse deals in the NHL.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:06 PM ET
Tons of Oilers fans have been bragging about being able to tell that Dubnyk was going to go from a .920 to a .880 save percentage in front of a better team.

Don't know why they're not the management group

- Morris



Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Dec 18 @ 5:07 PM ET
The thing is he saw DD poopting the bed and tried to prevent it. As for our d not geling, geling has nothing to do with it. They flat out don't have a top pairing to ease the load.

People think MacT are stupid and doesn't know what he's doing, yet the 3 moves that he tried he's hardest to do are 3 moves that we are/were begging him to make now.

Top 6 physical guy-Clarkson
Top pairing d-man- Coburn
Top goal- got Ilya now and has been great, but did try get Schneider.


Maybe those aren't the right pieces, but they were the holes we faced/face and he tried to plug them with the best options out there.

Even if Clarkson was a bust here, he'd still be a physical presence to protect our kids in the top 6 with 70+ hits in 24 games.

- Lahey

I do think he thought that Schultz and Petry would be better. And they might still be, but neither was ready for primetime this year.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:07 PM ET

Hired Howson in some backroom capacity

- Morris


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