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Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:49 PM ET
Thing that sucks for Mac T is that a lot of guys like Morrow only want to play for contenders. And the rest usually hold out for the highest bidder.
- Nucker101

You need to find the Gordon's and Ference's of the world that haven't made huge money and are willing to come here for a few years. Guys on one year deals are tough unless you hold out for Boyes and Gilbert.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:50 PM ET
He was a 50 point player. Yes he plays two-way, but that doesn't make him great. He doesn't get the goals he has this year and what is he getting 4.5?
- Lahey


His career averages in St.Louis since 2009/2010(82 game pace):


28.5 Goals
32 assists
60.5 Points


His luck with goals this year evens out since he was unlucky last year so I don't buy that.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Dec 18 @ 5:50 PM ET
Thing that sucks for Mac T is that a lot of guys like Morrow only want to play for contenders. And the rest usually hold out for the highest bidder.
- Nucker101

Guys like Jagr go to the highest bidder. Guys like Morrow go where they can take a back seat on a great team.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:51 PM ET
His career averages in St.Louis since 2009/2010(82 game pace):


28.5 Goals
32 assists
60.5 Points


His luck with goals this year evens out since he was unlucky last year so I don't buy that.

- Nucker101

Points per game don't work for Hemsky, but they work for others?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:53 PM ET
Points per game don't work for Hemsky, but they work for others?
- Lahey



Never said said that. Hemsky's a pretty decent 2nd liner IMO.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Dec 18 @ 5:53 PM ET
Points per game don't work for Hemsky, but they work for others?
- Lahey

Significant injuries (although I think he's over those) and two-way ability are the key differences. Also, Hemsky isn't producing like Steen is right now.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 5:54 PM ET
Consistent significant injuries and two-way ability are the key differences. Also, Hemsky isn't producing like Steen is right now.
- MaximumBone



Yeah, Steen is definitely the better all-around player.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:55 PM ET
Significant injuries (although I think he's over those) and two-way ability are the key differences. Also, Hemsky isn't producing like Steen is right now.
- MaximumBone

Sure, but when Hemmer was producing he never got no benefit.

Not like Steen's injury history is all that much better either.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:56 PM ET
Never said said that. Hemsky's a pretty decent 2nd liner IMO.
- Nucker101

Well (frank) you are the one decent nuck fan out there then.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:57 PM ET
Yeah, Steen is definitely the better all-around player.
- Nucker101

For the record I never said Hemmer is better just that when we tried to use PPG for him we were told we couldn't a few years ago.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Dec 18 @ 6:01 PM ET
Sure, but when Hemmer was producing he never got no benefit.

Not like Steen's injury history is all that much better either.

- Lahey

He had one concussion (39 games) in 2011-12 and a couple minor injuries along the way whereas Hemsky missed all but 22 games in 2009-10 and almost half the season in 2011-12. Not a huge difference in % or games lost/games played, but a thing to consider is that Hemsky hasn't produced the same since his injuries while Steen is having a career year (unsustainable).
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 6:06 PM ET
Well (frank) you are the one decent nuck fan out there then.
- Lahey

And I'm the decent Flames fan out there???
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Dec 18 @ 6:06 PM ET
Can we all just pray Steve Downie (frank)s some Flyer's wife so he can make it to free agency? He'd be a great addition.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Dec 18 @ 6:07 PM ET
Maybe if Downie (frank)s Pronger's wife things will come full circle
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 6:07 PM ET
Can we all just pray Steve Downie franks some Flyer's wife so he can make it to free agency? He'd be a great addition.
- Morris

Already on Burke's list, sorry!
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 6:07 PM ET
Maybe if Downie (frank)s Pronger's wife things will come full circle
- Morris

Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Dec 18 @ 6:07 PM ET
Already on Burke's list, sorry!
- whipper334

MacT is a desperate man, padre. A desperate desperate man.
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 6:10 PM ET
MacT is a desperate man, padre. A desperate desperate man.
- Morris

haymac
Edmonton Oilers
Location: NWT
Joined: 09.17.2011

Dec 18 @ 6:15 PM ET
This re-build is on Lowe, not MacT. I'm giving MacT lee-way because he's trying and inherited a lot of problems. Although he's made some good moves, I don't like the Eakins signing, although a new GM should be able to bring in his own Coach. I also didn't like his 2 pressers where he made statements such as not moving his "core 8"(unless someone is willing to overpay) and promising months ago to make a bold move. Let's put that down to Rookie GM mistakes, not likely to be repeated. i'm hoping he'll be able to make the right moves to re-balance the Club, but he does need time to do that.
Lowe is a different story. He's in charge of everything on the Team, from the Scouts to the GM, who needs Lowe's approval to make a move. Aside from drafting the consensus #1 those years at the Draft, his scouts weren't effective in late rounds, where the real scouting talent shines through. Also the Team totally has the wrong mix of player types to be effective, as many of us know only too well.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Dec 18 @ 6:18 PM ET
Almost or wanted to do trades don't amount to jackpoop
- Yeti1181


Praise Gillis! He almost traded Lu to the Leafs, and he wanted a 1st, Gardiner and Kadri.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 6:21 PM ET
Well (frank) you are the one decent nuck fan out there then.
- Lahey


You (frank)ing take that back now!
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Dec 18 @ 6:22 PM ET
So this Blog if the prove that Yakupov is clear for any wrong doing on that First Goal

laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Dec 18 @ 6:23 PM ET
Lay the blame on Gagner? They all (frank)ing suck sucking balls. Eat sh1t, Oilers... Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
Praise Gillis! He almost traded Lu to the Leafs, and he wanted a 1st, Gardiner and Kadri.
- golfingsince



Dreger disagrees. He wanted Komisarek and a conditional 7th and was rejected
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Dec 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
So this Blog if the prove that Yakupov is clear for any wrong doing on that First Goal
- AlEx_OiL

English please...
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