Maybe MDZ...in a 3-way trade (Rangers).
- jmatchett383

Now that more then 1/4 of the league are teams from your division, they should be able to make a 2 way deal.

Rumors were Montreal was giving Prospect and Diaz. So I could see sending Cousins, Gustefsson, and like a 2nd for him.

Suter was a pipe dream. No one thought Suter would come here. Weber is a different story. I don't mind the aggressiveness, but there has to be some kind of contingency plan put in place in case Nashville matched. Can't just lose the big fish, and then throw your hands in the air and say we tried.
- PLindbergh31

problem to me is i dont really think there were many other big fish out there. i have no justifiable reason for it, but i am so glad that the predators matched. its a totally irrational viewpoint i admit, and it really doesnt have as much to do with oh (frank) the flyers as it does with just being glad to see a team retain their star and not lose him to RFA. (which like i said, i have no justification for my venom towards RFAs. they are part of the game, and what homer did was a sound business chess move to use leverage to try and acquire an asset. i just dont know why i dont like it and am glad it didnt work out for him)

but still, he gets a lot of crap for not having a contingency plan. outside of some off the wall thing like moving prime assets for yandle or something of that sort, i really dont think he had many plan Bs available to him

objectively speaking, i would say that is a fair trade value wise if you remove one of the forwards. them taking mez would be a favor in that deal. so 2 young guys with a lot of promise and 2 firsts for the games best defender. value wise it is pretty good to me, but i can see being leery over making that commitment both asset wise and contract wise
- stayinthefnnet

Oh, it's a fair deal value-wise. But asset-wise it's tough. If you remove Couturier or Voracek, then you still have a top-line winger or a 2nd/3rd line center to replace, and you don't have 1sts to replace them with. To me, Couturier was the deal breaker.

Acquiring Timonen (and Hartnell) for a first rounder you had just acquired as part of a good package.
Acquiring Coburn for Zhitnik
Acquiring Grossmann for a 2nd (and a 3rd?) (debatable)
Signing Gustafsson.
Acquiring Malk Alt + Boucher for Luke Pither.
Sam Morin punches people's faces.

Edit:
Drafting Sbisa
Trading for Pronger (debatable)
- jmatchett383

Downie for Talbot too, maybe?

problem to me is i dont really think there were many other big fish out there. i have no justifiable reason for it, but i am so glad that the predators matched. its a totally irrational viewpoint i admit, and it really doesnt have as much to do with oh (frank) the flyers as it does with just being glad to see a team retain their star and not lose him to RFA. (which like i said, i have no justification for my venom towards RFAs. they are part of the game, and what homer did was a sound business chess move to use leverage to try and acquire an asset. i just dont know why i dont like it and am glad it didnt work out for him)

but still, he gets a lot of crap for not having a contingency plan. outside of some off the wall thing like moving prime assets for yandle or something of that sort, i really dont think he had many plan Bs available to him
- stayinthefnnet

The contingency plan SHOULD have been done prior to the offseason in resigning Carle before Wideman got his ridiculous deal. I was no big fan of Carle, but he's a solid #4 dman at least. Instead, we had Kent Huskins in the opening day lineup. And Bruno Gervais. Bruno (frank)ing Gervais. Need I say more?

Oh, it's a fair deal value-wise. But asset-wise it's tough. If you remove Couturier or Voracek, then you still have a top-line winger or a 2nd/3rd line center to replace, and you don't have 1sts to replace them with. To me, Couturier was the deal breaker.
- jmatchett383

true. just because something is equitably fair doesnt mean you have to dive on it. but for people that were like aghast at how dare that be the asking price, (frank) off. like you mean to tell me nashville wasnt ready to giftwrap the leagues best defender for a package headlined by matt read and a second?

Downie for Talbot too, maybe?
- Bearintheforest

Only if Downie moves to defense.

Slightly OT but I think Homer goes out and lands Phaneuf.

For better or worse.

true. just because something is equitably fair doesnt mean you have to dive on it. but for people that were like aghast at how dare that be the asking price, (frank) off. like you mean to tell me nashville wasnt ready to giftwrap the leagues best defender for a package headlined by matt read and a second?
- stayinthefnnet

haha. It's a big risk. I mean, if they had to trade a good young defender, a 2nd line winger, and 2 1sts for a 34-year-old Pronger, then of course the asking price for his 26-year-old counterpart is gonna be way more extreme. Nashville held all the chips, and the price was too steep. I don't blame Homer for bailing as a Flyers fan, but I do as a Shea Weber fan.

Slightly OT but I think Homer goes out and lands Phaneuf.

For better or worse.
- Giroux_Is_God

FA or trade?

The contingency plan SHOULD have been done prior to the offseason in resigning Carle before Wideman got his ridiculous deal. I was no big fan of Carle, but he's a solid #4 dman at least. Instead, we had Kent Huskins in the opening day lineup. And Bruno Gervais. Bruno (frank)ing Gervais. Need I say more?
- jmatchett383

trust me dude. i understand the frustration. im sure it hurts to even type bruno gervais let alone see him in an opening night sweater. but still, everyone is quick to lynch homer for his handling of the blueline for his inactivity. im just saying, Dmen wise especially, it is ridiculously tough to get anything done anymore. with how the market has been trending, particularly for a dman that can skate forward without falling like his skates are tied together, i wouldnt have signed a thing if i was carle until i saw how much i could potentially get. these guys get atrocious deals to the point where it is impossible to win a contract negotiation when signing a guy. and trades are even more difficult, because teams value these assets like gold.

true. just because something is equitably fair doesnt mean you have to dive on it. but for people that were like aghast at how dare that be the asking price, (frank) off. like you mean to tell me nashville wasnt ready to giftwrap the leagues best defender for a package headlined by matt read and a second?
- stayinthefnnet

I think the impression was that Nashville is going to have trouble paying for that contract, thus they could either take the 4 first round picks, or work with us in a deal. No-one, not even the pundits thought they could or would match.

Slightly OT but I think Homer goes out and lands Phaneuf.

For better or worse.
- Giroux_Is_God

9 million a year for 7 years sound about right? At least Phaneuf isn't douchey enough to wear a bow tie.

FA or trade?
- jmatchett383

FA

Just a gut feeling.

haha. It's a big risk. I mean, if they had to trade a good young defender, a 2nd line winger, and 2 1sts for a 34-year-old Pronger, then of course the asking price for his 26-year-old counterpart is gonna be way more extreme. Nashville held all the chips, and the price was too steep. I don't blame Homer for bailing as a Flyers fan, but I do as a Shea Weber fan.
- jmatchett383

haha yeah man. youre not at all who im talking about when i said people were being unrealistic. i dont know how i would have felt about it as a flyers fan. its awesome to make the big splash, but at the same time it sucks to give up young assets. hell, i hated to see joe morrow go at the time.

Slightly OT but I think Homer goes out and lands Phaneuf.

For better or worse.
- Giroux_Is_God

It would be, very much, a Flyers-ish move.

Slightly OT but I think Homer goes out and lands Phaneuf.

For better or worse.
- Giroux_Is_God

hartnell might be interested in moving on then.

I think the impression was that Nashville is going to have trouble paying for that contract, thus they could either take the 4 first round picks, or work with us in a deal. No-one, not even the pundits thought they could or would match.
- youarewrong

yeah i understand being shocked theyd match, but the sense of HOW DARE THEY indignation was ridiculous. even if it wasnt financially sound for them to do so, im glad they did. i liked seeing a little guy be able to retain its star. and the fact that they didnt just say, well okay homer here you go. how gracious of you to give us read, coburn and a second. if anything, we should have included a few picks of our own for you doing us the favor and doing all of the negotiation legwork with our franchise player! like no.

that being said, i am glad at least homers interference at least got the ball rolling and forced nashville to nut up and lock the guy up.

hartnell might be interested in moving on then.
- hammarby31

trust me dude. i understand the frustration. im sure it hurts to even type bruno gervais let alone see him in an opening night sweater. but still, everyone is quick to lynch homer for his handling of the blueline for his inactivity. im just saying, Dmen wise especially, it is ridiculously tough to get anything done anymore. with how the market has been trending, particularly for a dman that can skate forward without falling like his skates are tied together, i wouldnt have signed a thing if i was carle until i saw how much i could potentially get. these guys get atrocious deals to the point where it is impossible to win a contract negotiation when signing a guy. and trades are even more difficult, because teams value these assets like gold.
- stayinthefnnet

After Carle and Suter, it was a fairly bare-bones market, agreed. But like I said, they should have been working with Carle back in February if they wanted to keep him. If they wanted to pursue something else, he would at least be an asset they could have used to clear cap room. As much as I groaned about him, he's a solid 2nd pairing guy. (frank)ing Gervais.

Slightly OT but I think Homer goes out and lands Phaneuf.

For better or worse.
- Giroux_Is_God

No way Phaneuf is coming here. Contract talks started already. Darren Dregger said he will get around 7M / 7 years with the Leafs

''SUCK IT PHANEUF''

yeah i understand being shocked theyd match, but the sense of HOW DARE THEY indignation was ridiculous. even if it wasnt financially sound for them to do so, im glad they did. i liked seeing a little guy be able to retain its star. and the fact that they didnt just say, well okay homer here you go. how gracious of you to give us read, coburn and a second. if anything, we should have included a few picks of our own for you doing us the favor and doing all of the negotiation legwork with our franchise player! like no.

that being said, i am glad at least homers interference at least got the ball rolling and forced nashville to nut up and lock the guy up.
- stayinthefnnet

I am kinda glad too. That way, no one in the Flyers division can (likely) get him. With the money already paid and the money due, makes no sense to move him, unless the Pens pony up Malkin for him(it's the only player I can think of where the team could afford to lose a player like him). They'd need a marquee name coming back to move him, and most teams don't have one to give.

yeah i understand being shocked theyd match, but the sense of HOW DARE THEY indignation was ridiculous. even if it wasnt financially sound for them to do so, im glad they did. i liked seeing a little guy be able to retain its star. and the fact that they didnt just say, well okay homer here you go. how gracious of you to give us read, coburn and a second. if anything, we should have included a few picks of our own for you doing us the favor and doing all of the negotiation legwork with our franchise player! like no.

that being said, i am glad at least homers interference at least got the ball rolling and forced nashville to nut up and lock the guy up.
- stayinthefnnet

i dont remember anyone being indignant. More shocked and upset. Everyone thought it was a done deal. And believe it or not, Homer "interfering" was a really smart move, or else Weber would likely be a Ranger right now with Nash.

After Carle and Suter, it was a fairly bare-bones market, agreed. But like I said, they should have been working with Carle back in February if they wanted to keep him. If they wanted to pursue something else, he would at least be an asset they could have used to clear cap room. As much as I groaned about him, he's a solid 2nd pairing guy. (frank)ing Gervais.
- jmatchett383

yeah. even now, the market is still awful. the assets being mentioned for a guy like del zotto, just because he has some puck moving ability, blow my mind. and yeah carle wasnt bad. i initially shake my head at his contract he got, but thats just the market for those kinds of players now.

its the only comfort im getting from watching the WBS Crosbys play right now. the pens have cardboard cutouts for forward prospects, but hopefully one or two of these D prospects can be moved to acquire a forward or two. maatta and despres are the real deal.