Ditto for Weise.
- Nucker101

Meh, Weise can skate and actually PK's. He's nowhere near as much of a liability.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2&team=VAN&position=S&country=&status=&viewName=summary#

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- golfingsince

Really sorry give him a raise

How many goals for Daniel? How many in the last 20 games? He is paid to be our #1 sniper ,not our second first line center
- VANTEL

One - they are good players, it's still a lack of a lack of secondary scoring that hurts us. I understand where you're coming from, that said, were just not good enough as a whole. Sedins are the least of our worries.

Meh, Weise can skate and actually PK's. He's nowhere near as much of a liability.
- golfingsince

I'm greedy, I look at the 4th lines of past cup champs and want a 4th line that can play against non-4th lines, there are cheap guys out there that can do that. Richardson needs 2 decent wingers and there you go. Need a 3LC first, since apparently Santo is a full time top 6 forward now. Multiple holes up front, I'm not in favour of making a trade for a rental this year.

That's dumb. The best of a bad bunch of scores is what he is paid to do?

- VANTEL

Whatever.

My statement is dumb, yet you make sense when you claim Henrik is a $6-million player and Daniel is only worth $4 million.

News flash, they're points are identical this season, within 5 points of top-10 in the league

Really sorry give him a raise

- VANTEL

Look, I hear what you're saying about Danny's value at 7 million. However, Hank is easily worth more than that with the new CBA.

One - they are good players, it's still a lack of a lack of secondary scoring that hurts us. I understand where you're coming from, that said, were just not good enough as a whole. Sedins are the least of our worries.
- LeftCoaster

Yup, Toews and Kane have gone entire playoff series without putting up much and the Hawks have one. Kopitar has gone through playoff slumps as well. And call me crazy, but I still view Santo, Higgins, Hansen, Kassian, Booth, etc all as non-top 6 forwards. I know Santorelli has been lights out, but this guy struggled with the Jets last year and struggled with the Panthers a year after scoring 20 for them so I don't exactly have him written down in ink as a top 6 forward, on a contending team he's an ideal 3rd liner that can step into the top 6 if someone gets hurt or is struggling. Contending teams need those types to be luxury players, not relied on to be your 4th or 5th best scorer.

If Kesler was playing with a legit top 6 forward along with Santorelli we would have finished more chances.
- Nucker101

He had two point blank chances right in front of me. I don't give a (frank) who's on the ice with him, he needs to score there!!!

One - they are good players, it's still a lack of a lack of secondary scoring that hurts us. I understand where you're coming from, that said, were just not good enough as a whole. Sedins are the least of our worries.
- LeftCoaster

Everyone thinks I don't like the Sedins. I think Hank is a perfect first line center. I would trade Daniel in a heartbeat to break this up. daniel is paid to score and gets protected by Hanks talent. Most teams top line has a passer sniper grinder . Canucks have a passer a passer and 3 rd liner, yet we continue to blame secondary scoring

Everyone thinks I don't like the Sedins. I think Hank is a perfect first line center. I would trade Daniel in a heartbeat to break this up. daniel is paid to score and gets protected by Hanks talent. Most teams top line has a passer sniper grinder . Canucks have a passer a passer and 3 rd liner, yet we continue to blame secondary scoring
- VANTEL

OK, i'm going to make a bold prediction and say Danny gets 18+ goals in the second half. I do agree that he has become more of a passer at this stage of his career but he can still snipe. The guy just needs to get on a bit of a roll.

Whatever.

My statement is dumb, yet you make sense when you claim Henrik is a $6-million player and Daniel is only worth $4 million.

News flash, they're points are identical this season, within 5 points of top-10 in the league
- Fosco

How much would you pay a 25 goal scorer? I bet the number is 4.5 to 5 tops. burrows like. Daniel is no longer worth 7 mi

OK, i'm going to make a bold prediction and say Danny gets 18+ goals in the second half. I do agree that he has become more of a passer at this stage of his career but he can still snipe. The guy just needs to get on a bit of a roll.
- golfingsince

I will predict 12

I will predict 12
- VANTEL

Of course you will, anything else would be more than 25.

Everyone thinks I don't like the Sedins. I think Hank is a perfect first line center. I would trade Daniel in a heartbeat to break this up. daniel is paid to score and gets protected by Hanks talent. Most teams top line has a passer sniper grinder . Canucks have a passer a passer and 3 rd liner, yet we continue to blame secondary scoring
- VANTEL

When I compare to other teams, I'm not seeing what you are. Salary wise or production wise. Is Daniel a 7 million dollar player in a 70+ mlion dollar cap, maybe, but having hank on his line off-sets that.

But I did predict it also at the pre season

Of course you will, anything else would be more than 25.
- golfingsince

He had two point blank chances right in front of me. I don't give a (frank) who's on the ice with him, he needs to score there!!!
- LeftCoaster

Dude's been great offensively this year, I'd love to see him with some offensive support. He and the Twins have a ton of pressure to carry this team offensively every night.


LA has Carter, Kopitar, Brown, Williams, Richards
SJ has Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Hertl, Burns
CHI has Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa
STL is loaded with 4 deep lines, (frank)ing Lappy barely made that team and he was our 3rd line center for many games. Roy is like a depth player for them and he was counted on here to get our 2nd line going.

But I did predict it also at the pre season

- VANTEL

never change bro.

How much would you pay a 25 goal scorer? I bet the number is 4.5 to 5 tops. burrows like. Daniel is no longer worth 7 mi
- VANTEL

He's also on pace for 45 assists...

You can't just overlook this just because YOU think Daniel's role is only to score goals.

Also, Henrik's increased goal pace offsets the drop in Daniel's.

When I compare to other teams, I'm not seeing what you are. Salary wise or production wise. Is Daniel a 7 million dollar player in a 70+ mlion dollar cap, maybe, but having hank on off-sets that.
- LeftCoaster

Vancouver a management and fans biggest downfall is we always look at them as a package instead of individuals. How many brothers have you met that have aged exactly alike after the age of 30. We need to treat them as individuals

Everyone thinks I don't like the Sedins. I think Hank is a perfect first line center. I would trade Daniel in a heartbeat to break this up. daniel is paid to score and gets protected by Hanks talent. Most teams top line has a passer sniper grinder . Canucks have a passer a passer and 3 rd liner, yet we continue to blame secondary scoring
- VANTEL

For the record, I think we've had this discussion in the past and have agreed that Hank deserves every penny and that Danny has regressed and is overpaid. Where we disagree is that you believe that the 1st line is one of the biggest issues on this team, I strongly believe that scoring/skill depth is, especially when I compare our support player's talent and numbers to other contending teams.

He's also on pace for 45 assists...

You can't just overlook this just because YOU think Daniel's role is only to score goals.

Also, Henrik's increased goal pace offsets the drop in Daniel's.
- Fosco

So we are paying for two first line centres with no sniper. Then we blame the secondary scoring who is out scoring the first line

Vancouver a management and fans biggest downfall is we always look at them as a package instead of individuals. How many brothers have you met that have aged exactly alike after the age of 30. We need to treat them as individuals
- VANTEL

Okay, so since we only offer Hank a contract he demands 8.5. We pay it or we're (frank)ed. Who are we going to sign to replace Danny at 5.5? Seriously, we cannot afford to lose those two or we look an awful lot like Calgary of 2-3 years ago. They are not the problem.

For the record, I think we've had this discussion in the past and have agreed that Hank deserves every penny and that Danny has regressed and is overpaid. Where we disagree is that you believe that the 1st line is one of the biggest issues on this team, I strongly believe that scoring/skill depth is, especially when I compare our support player's talent and numbers to other contending teams.
- Nucker101

This is where we really disagree , I think we need first line scoring and secondary scoring will fall in place

Hey guys, Joe Thornton hasn't scored 25 goals since 08/09—the Canucks should lock him up to a $4-million/season contract when he becomes a UFA

Vancouver a management and fans biggest downfall is we always look at them as a package instead of individuals. How many brothers have you met that have aged exactly alike after the age of 30. We need to treat them as individuals
- VANTEL

I think it's great to have offensively gifted players regardless if they're related or not. Koivu & Parise aren't brothers but they're a good combo.