He's hurt right now. He was arguably their best forward the first month of the season.
- KGBflyers10

He is hurt. But his level of play was dipping prior to the injury, and right now he's been a leadweight on every line they've used him on.

He's hurt right now. He was arguably their best forward the first month of the season.
- KGBflyers10

I absolutely thought he looked better than Claude Giroux and at least 90 percent of the roster to begin the season.

He is hurt. But his level of play was dipping prior to the injury, and right now he's been a leadweight on every line they've used him on.
- Jsaquella

I disagree, I think he was fine before the injury.

He's obviously a step behind everyone at the moment.

I disagree, I think he was fine before the injury.

He's obviously a step behind everyone at the moment.
- KGBflyers10

I'm going off the numbers, as well as watching. His possession numbers started dropping before he got hurt and since he's returned he's arguably been their worst forward in the top 9

Trivia...

The Flyers have lost 8 of the last 9 games what player has appeared in?
- PLindbergh31

GOTTA BE ROSEMINISCULEHUMP

I'm going off the numbers, as well as watching. His possession numbers started dropping before he got hurt and since he's returned he's arguably been their worst forward in the top 9
- Jsaquella

I also thought he looked fine before his most recent injury and let's keep in mind he's been hurt 3 times this season. at the risk of sounding like a child with no real argument, I think he looks stupid playing on the wing. The effort and skill set is there but he just looks way out of place. playing out of position and playing on the second power play unit doesn't give this guy a chance to get into a rhythm at all. He's a great player and the grades have to play themselves out of these ruts

I also thought he looked fine before his most recent injury and let's keep in mind he's been hurt 3 times this season. at the risk of sounding like a child with no real argument, I think he looks stupid playing on the wing. The effort and skill set is there but he just looks way out of place. playing out of position and playing on the second power play unit doesn't give this guy a chance to get into a rhythm at all. He's a great player and the grades have to play themselves out of these ruts
- Schenn2shine

I'm not saying he's not playing hurt-in fact, I'm certain he IS playing in pain. Doesn't change the fact that right now he's been bad.

Doesn't mean he will stay bad for the rest of his contract, doesn't mean that next week he won't look great...means that right now, he's killing that line's mojo. While that is going on, I can't agree that he should be playing more minutes.

That said, I think in the absence of Raffl- because he's going to miss at least 4 or 5 games-I'd go with these:

19-28-93
10-40-17
9-14-24
76-18-36

I'm not saying he's not playing hurt-in fact, I'm certain he IS playing in pain. Doesn't change the fact that right now he's been bad.

Doesn't mean he will stay bad for the rest of his contract, doesn't mean that next week he won't look great...means that right now, he's killing that line's mojo. While that is going on, I can't agree that he should be playing more minutes.

That said, I think in the absence of Raffl- because he's going to miss at least 4 or 5 games-I'd go with these:

19-28-93
10-40-17
9-14-24
76-18-36
- Jsaquella

76 is tower of power.

GOTTA BE ROSEMINISCULEHUMP
- Giroux_Is_God

Obviously you want a player who is capable of doing more in the lineup but I don't feel Jay Rosehill hurts us that much at all. I feel the moment a player is handed the title enforcer, no matter what he does, everyone's going to turn on him on these boards.

My most disappointing player of the evening was Sean Couturier. He was awful.

Mark david chapman should be a free man
- JoeRussomanno

wow

Since the Caps game, where he got his face busted up, Lecavalier has played 19 games. He's got 4 goals, 4 assists and is -5.

In the games, prior to his back injury, he had 4 goals, 3 assists and was a -1 in 13 games. Those were the sort of numbers that had folks calling Giroux a Fraud.

I'm not saying he's not playing hurt-in fact, I'm certain he IS playing in pain. Doesn't change the fact that right now he's been bad.

Doesn't mean he will stay bad for the rest of his contract, doesn't mean that next week he won't look great...means that right now, he's killing that line's mojo. While that is going on, I can't agree that he should be playing more minutes.

That said, I think in the absence of Raffl- because he's going to miss at least 4 or 5 games-I'd go with these:

19-28-93
10-40-17
9-14-24
76-18-36
- Jsaquella

I think the line up should look a lot like this regardless, no matter if Michael Raffl is in the line up or not. I'm not completely disagreeing with you but I think Craig Berube waits for injuries to shake up the line up. to me that's not a good thing, and I think that messes with chemistry.

I think the line up should look a lot like this regardless, no matter if Michael Raffl is in the line up or not. I'm not completely disagree with you but I think Craig Berube waits for injuries to shake up the line up. to me that's not a good thing, and I think that messes with chemistry.
- Schenn2shine

Why shake things up without injuries? They have been playing well and getting points. The 19-10-17 line has been really good. The biggest issue is that the Couturier line has been getting murdered since Vinny replaced Downie.

Raffl has been great on the top line, no need to juggle it unless there's bodies out of the line up, until it stops working.

Bleeding ghosts crowd the young childs fragile eggshell mind
- PLindbergh31

calm down, jim.

Why shake things up without injuries? They have been playing well and getting points. The 19-10-17 line has been really good. The biggest issue is that the Couturier line has been getting murdered since Vinny replaced Downie.

Raffl has been great on the top line, no need to juggle it unless there's bodies out of the line up, until it stops working.
- Jsaquella

The 19-10-17 line has played well tonight and in Calgary, before that, not so much. The 12-28-93 line has been our best line but I wouldn't call them a dominant top line. A lot of chances from them but I don't feel like they contribute nightly at even strength. In fact I feel a lot of Giroux and Voracek's points have come from the PP. Some, but not all. I feel like in recent games the Flyers aren't getting contributions from the entire lineup. I feel like they've heavily relied on the power play or one line that happens to be heating up. Steve Downie only sat 2 games, he should have been put back on the 3rd line the moment he returned.

This opinion of me not being crazy about Raffl on the top line isn't very popular but its just my opinion

Bleeding ghosts crowd the young childs fragile eggshell mind
- PLindbergh31

Doors, right?

calm down, jim.
- hammarby31

Lizard King, baby.

"Just some low-grade acid..."

The 19-10-17 line has played well tonight and in Calgary, before that, not so much. The 12-28-93 line has been our best line but I wouldn't call them a dominant top line. A lot of chances from them but I don't feel like they contribute nightly at even strength. In fact I feel a lot of Giroux and Voracek's points have come from the PP. Some, but not all. I feel like in recent games the Flyers aren't getting contributions from the entire lineup. I feel like they've heavily relied on the power play or one line that happens to be heating up. Steve Downie only sat 2 games, he should have been put back on the 3rd line the moment he returned.

This opinion of me not being crazy about Raffl on the top line isn't very popular but its just my opinion
- Schenn2shine

Raffl is hurt. You get your wish. And was it just me, or did the team look a little flat without the 2 R's in the line-up?

Either way, that horse is begging for mercy.

Most of G's goals, especially after the losses down in Florida, have come 5 v 5. We've been over this already.

And if Downie is better than Raffl, it isn't by much.

The 19-10-17 line has played well tonight and in Calgary, before that, not so much. The 12-28-93 line has been our best line but I wouldn't call them a dominant top line. A lot of chances from them but I don't feel like they contribute nightly at even strength. In fact I feel a lot of Giroux and Voracek's points have come from the PP. Some, but not all. I feel like in recent games the Flyers aren't getting contributions from the entire lineup. I feel like they've heavily relied on the power play or one line that happens to be heating up. Steve Downie only sat 2 games, he should have been put back on the 3rd line the moment he returned.
- Schenn2shine

Hartnell has a six game point streak. Simmonds had 3 straight multiple point games. Prior to that, Giroux and Voracek had multiple game point streaks.

The bottom line is, they are winning and playing fairly well. They're not dominating, but this team isn't going to dominate, by and large. They're going to have to grind out wins and win the special teams battle to get wins.

They've been, over the past few games, getting offense from the Giroux line & the Schenn line.

I don't have an issue with Raffl being on the top line or another line, but it's working well with him there, so there is no reason to change it up for the sake of change.

Hartnell has a six game point streak. Simmonds had 3 straight multiple point games. Prior to that, Giroux and Voracek had multiple game point streaks.

The bottom line is, they are winning and playing fairly well. They're not dominating, but this team isn't going to dominate, by and large. They're going to have to grind out wins and win the special teams battle to get wins.

They've been, over the past few games, getting offense from the Giroux line & the Schenn line.

I don't have an issue with Raffl being on the top line or another line, but it's working well with him there, so there is no reason to change it up for the sake of change.
- Jsaquella

End of (frank)ing story

Hartnell has a six game point streak. Simmonds had 3 straight multiple point games. Prior to that, Giroux and Voracek had multiple game point streaks.

The bottom line is, they are winning and playing fairly well. They're not dominating, but this team isn't going to dominate, by and large. They're going to have to grind out wins and win the special teams battle to get wins.

They've been, over the past few games, getting offense from the Giroux line & the Schenn line.

I don't have an issue with Raffl being on the top line or another line, but it's working well with him there, so there is no reason to change it up for the sake of change.
- Jsaquella

Right away, you named everyone on the first Power Play unit. I would like to be more than a Power Play team. It is never a guarantee that we are going to be handed the man advantage in bunches every single game. We need balance 5 on 5. In all my years of being a Flyers fan, we always at least had a legit top line, which we do not have right now.

Right away, you named everyone on the first Power Play unit. I would like to be more than a Power Play team. It is never a guarantee that we are going to be handed the man advantage in bunches every single game. We need balance 5 on 5. In all my years of being a Flyers fan, we always at least had a legit top line, which we do not have right now.
- Schenn2shine

Since November 27 vs TBL when Raffl was reinserted into the lineup:

Voracek has 15 points: 6 goals, 3 on the PP, and 9 assists.

Giroux has 21 points: 8 goals, 1 on the PP, and 13 assists.

Raffl has 10 points: 2 goals, 8 assists, all even strength.

That's 46 points in 18 games including tonight. And yes, some of that includes the PP. But know what, Raffl's point total would likely be higher if he got some time on the man advantage, but as he is still a rookie, he's low down on that chart for now.

And as I said, Raffl's hurt, so you get your wish for a different body on the top line. Let's see how they do. What I can say, the team didn't look good without Read and Raffl in the lineup.

Raffl is hurt. You get your wish. And was it just me, or did the team look a little flat without the 2 R's in the line-up?

Either way, that horse is begging for mercy.

Most of G's goals, especially after the losses down in Florida, have come 5 v 5. We've been over this already.

And if Downie is better than Raffl, it isn't by much.
- wolfhounds

How many points does Downie have this season?

Since November 27 vs TBL when Raffl was reinserted into the lineup:

Voracek has 15 points: 6 goals, 3 on the PP, and 9 assists.

Giroux has 21 points: 8 goals, 1 on the PP, and 13 assists.

Raffl has 10 points: 2 goals, 8 assists, all even strength.

That's 46 points in 18 games includas the powerplay expired and turned out to be and youthe PP. But know what, Raffl's point total would likely be higher if he got some time on the man advantage, but as he is still a rookie, he's low down on that chart for now.

And as I said, Raffl's hurt, so you get your wish for a different body on the top line. Let's see how they do. What I can say, the team didn't look good without Read and Raffl in the lineup.
- wolfhounds

How many of those points were on PP exactly?

Raffl has 11 points and I hope your aware that all of Raffl's points were not from playing with Giroux and Voracek.

People can make stats work for them and make them miss leading. Example. Remember Giroux's game winning goal against Columbus? It was on a line change and Scott Hartnell was actually in the crease when Giroux scored that goal. Do you remember the first Wayne Simmonds goal in Columbus? It was scored five on five as the powerplay expired and turned out to be an even strength goal Giroux assisted on. Again, Raffl was not on the ice.

Above all, it's totally ridiculous that you would actually think that I would wish that michael raffle would get hurt in a game. How about we refrain from putting words in one another's mouths.

How many of those points were on PP exactly?

I hope your aware that all of Raffl's points were not from playing with Giroux and Voracek.

People can make stats work for them and make them miss leading. Example. Remember Giroux's game winning goal against Columbus? It was on a line change and Scott Hartnell was actually in the crease when Giroux scored that goal. Do you remember the first Wayne Simmonds goal in Columbus? It was scored five on five as the powerplay expired and turned out to be an even strength goal Giroux assisted on. Again, Raffl was not on the ice.

Above all, it's totally ridiculous that you would actually think that I would wish that michael raffle would get hurt in a game. How about we refrain from putting words in one another's mouths.
- Schenn2shine

to be fair man he didnt say you wanted raffl to get hurt... only that seeing someone else on the top line was your wish