"From the bench" shenanigans is for pussies. Take care of it on the ice, where it should be taken care of.
- Scoob

Hard to do that when they game is over. I think I would be more behind Hartman if he had been more blatant and instead of clipping him in the face just gave him a solid hook ya know?

Oof...are you hung over or something? Your comprehension level is low today.
- Scoob

that's settling it on the ice

that's settling it on the ice
- 2Real

In a wussy manner, but it is on the ice so I give you half a point for that.

In a wussy manner, but it is on the ice so I give you half a point for that.
- Scoob

when's the last time, recently, two guys have dropped the gloves and allowed to go at it in WJC?

Should have thrown them both out on the ice in the waning seconds and let them settle it the old fashioned way.
- wolfhounds

Agreed.

They should have done "rock, paper, scissors" at center ice.

when's the last time, recently, two guys have dropped the gloves and allowed to go at it in WJC?
- KGBflyers10

This maybe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punch-up_in_Piestany

when's the last time, recently, two guys have dropped the gloves and allowed to go at it in WJC?
- KGBflyers10

refs would probably stop it because of the wussification of everything

when's the last time, recently, two guys have dropped the gloves and allowed to go at it in WJC?
- KGBflyers10

Only one I remember is richards going at it with ovie. But there probably have been some in between now and then.

refs would probably stop it because of the wussification of everything
- 2Real

Exactly. That's why you have these little incidents. There was one a few years back between USA and Canada.

when's the last time, recently, two guys have dropped the gloves and allowed to go at it in WJC?
- KGBflyers10

Don't know. Don't care. I'd guess that fighting isn't even allowed in that tournament. I could be wrong, though.

Agreed.

They should have done "rock, paper, scissors" at center ice.
- johndewar

Just like the gladiators used to do.

Don't know. Don't care. I'd guess that fighting isn't even allowed in that tournament. I could be wrong, though.
- Scoob

Okay, well then if that's the case your argument is slightly invalidated as how is a player supposed to respond on ice if he can't drop the gloves?

Okay, well then if that's the case your argument is slightly invalidated as how is a player supposed to respond on ice if he can't drop the gloves?
- KGBflyers10

I'll take Scoring for $1000, Alex.

Obviously I should have just quashed and not engaged. This is a capitalist site and therefore will quash political discussion in the interest of not driving away the eyeballs here to talk hockey.

Stop with the political discussion before your political ideas (at either extreme or moderate positions) discredit your hockey opinions in the eyes of other posters.

I'll take Scoring for $1000, Alex.
- wolfhounds

The game was effectively over when Hartman did what he did.

Okay, well then if that's the case your argument is slightly invalidated as how is a player supposed to respond on ice if he can't drop the gloves?
- KGBflyers10

He can drop the gloves. If fighting isn't allowed he'll be ejected.
Were it not the end of the game there are certainly other, and legal, ways to make a player "pay" for his actions.

I'm puzzled that people are actually defending a player acting like that on the bench. I'm nearly certain that if a Russian player did it to a US player there wouldn't be the same defense of the action.

I think I'll chalk it up to misguided, youthful misunderstanding (of hockey and politics) and move on.

I'll take Scoring for $1000, Alex.
- wolfhounds

There is thirty seconds left of a 5-3 game, you really think scoring is going to get it done?

Listen, what Hartman did was a direct response to the provocation by the Russian team. Their actions were completely inappropriate and uncalled for. The players could jeer at the USA team all they want at their own bench, as that happens all the time at every single level of hockey. However, to make a direct motion toward them on the way to their bench (which is completely unnecessary), is calling for a response. Hartman tapped him in the face with his stick, he didn't slash, he didn't swing a punch, he threw out his stick.

He can drop the gloves. If fighting isn't allowed he'll be ejected.
Were it not the end of the game there are certainly other, and legal, ways to make a player "pay" for his actions.

I'm puzzled that people are actually defending a player acting like that on the bench. I'm nearly certain that if a Russian player did it to a US player there wouldn't be the same defense of the action.

I think I'll chalk it up to misguided, youthful misunderstanding (of hockey and politics) and move on.
- Scoob

I would hope the US player would have a bit more professionalism than that. However, as I mentioned before USA did this once against Canada a few years ago, and the same result happened. American player got in the face and went down, a scuffle ensued, and in fact our beloved JVR got the worst of it.

All warranted in my opinion.

So on twitter who are good hockey guys to follow?
- LJF

@JoeYerdonPHT
@TSNBobMcKenzie
@Real_ESPNLeBrun

The game was effectively over when Hartman did what he did.
- johndewar

Yup, I know. Rock, Paper, Scissors was the only real way to resolve the issue.

Did they kick Hartman out of the game after reviewing the incident?

I would hope the US player would have a bit more professionalism than that.
- KGBflyers10

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

He can drop the gloves. If fighting isn't allowed he'll be ejected.
Were it not the end of the game there are certainly other, and legal, ways to make a player "pay" for his actions.

I'm puzzled that people are actually defending a player acting like that on the bench. I'm nearly certain that if a Russian player did it to a US player there wouldn't be the same defense of the action.

I think I'll chalk it up to misguided, youthful misunderstanding (of hockey and politics) and move on.
- Scoob

No, I think I understand both hockey and politics pretty well.

You could just say we disagree and leave it there.

You can't make this stuff up, folks.
- Scoob

See my next post.

EDIT: never mind.

Looks like you chose to ignore my statement on how the American player deserved the retaliation.

Yup, I know. Rock, Paper, Scissors was the only real way to resolve the issue.

Did they kick Hartman out of the game after reviewing the incident?
- wolfhounds

I suspect Hartman will face a sanction (IIHF?) of some sort.

That Hartman is undisciplined. Take care of that crap on the ice. No need for that wussy stuff.
- Scoob

I can't see. What did he do?