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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks Game Day: January 4 at Los Angeles, Grading the Forwards
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:01 PM ET
Good - like Ryan said, "all they had to do was cut me, not degrade me in public like that".
- LeftCoaster


Does Ryan now give the bird to Hockey USA if they come calling in the future?
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 5 @ 1:02 PM ET
Are you suggesting that Sedin Sedin Burrows , Higgins Santo Kesler would not be upgraded by Sedin Sedin Simmonds , Ladd Horvat Kesler next year?
- VANTEL
on paper maybe. Ladd and simmonds are damn good players.

But Higgins is the man. He's earned that spot on the second line.

Horvat hasnt proven by any means that he's nhl ready. Im a big fan, but he was disappointing in the wjr's. He wasnt better than about 4 or 5 forwards on canada, let alone proven pros.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:02 PM ET
We are already spending 14 mil on two playmakers on the first line
- VANTEL

So giving up 3 1sts for a decent yet unspectacular 2nd line winger fixes that?

You can get upset all you want but the sedins will continue to play together 95% of the time. Lets fix the 2nd line, rather then have even less passing on it
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:08 PM ET
So giving up 3 1sts for a decent yet unspectacular 2nd line winger fixes that?

You can get upset all you want but the sedins will continue to play together 95% of the time. Lets fix the 2nd line, rather then have even less passing on it

- Bieksa#3


I agree, two legit (to quit) wingers to play with Kesler, maybe that's the "first line"...Sedin's and Burrows the second line.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:08 PM ET
on paper maybe. Ladd and simmonds are damn good players.

But Higgins is the man. He's earned that spot on the second line.

Horvat hasnt proven by any means that he's nhl ready. Im a big fan, but he was disappointing in the wjr's. He wasnt better than about 4 or 5 forwards on canada, let alone proven pros.

- hugefemale dog77

Horvat was unquestionably the best 2 way forward on the team.

And I agree on higgins
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:09 PM ET
Does Ryan now give the bird to Hockey USA if they come calling in the future?
- 1970vintage

I believe he said if they came calling he would still be proud to wear the jersey. He isnt going to turn it down should there be an injury.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:09 PM ET
I agree, two legit (to quit) wingers to play with Kesler, maybe that's the "first line"...Sedin's and Burrows the second line.
- 1970vintage

Yeah
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:10 PM ET
I believe he said if they came calling he would still be proud to wear the jersey. He isnt going to turn it down should there be an injury.
- poisondhearts37


Good for him!
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:11 PM ET
I believe he said if they came calling he would still be proud to wear the jersey. He isnt going to turn it down should there be an injury.
- poisondhearts37

Which is probably the best decision. Can't hold it against the entire country that current management and Burnside are classless
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:12 PM ET
Does Ryan now give the bird to Hockey USA if they come calling in the future?
- 1970vintage

No - he said he'd be proud to wear the Stars and Stripes if called upon in the future.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:15 PM ET
Horvat was unquestionably the best 2 way forward on the team.

And I agree on higgins

- Bieksa#3

We'll never win with Higgins as our second line LW'er, he's just not good enough to play that role on a continual basis. Love what he does, but he's never had a 20 goal season, we need (as you can see last night) legit top six players.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Dany Hank Burrows
Ladd Santo Kesler
Higgins Horvat Kassian
Sestito Richardson Archy

I'd be happy with this next year
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
We'll never win with Higgins as our second line LW'er, he's just not good enough to play that role on a continual basis. Love what he does, but he's never had a 20 goal season, we need (as you can see last night) legit top six players.
- LeftCoaster



Higgins has 3 20 goal seasons and has been on pace for 20 in each of the last 3 seasons. But he does have somewhat stone hand imo
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Adding Ladd and Simmer to your top six def makes you guys that much better. Higgins playing 3rd LW makes the most sense. Where he belongs. Simmer on the Twins wing will be what you guys hoped for in Kassian on theyre wing. Ladd with Kesler to me is a scary. I dont wanna see it happen. Good thing it prolly wont.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
Adding Ladd and Simmer to your top six def makes you guys that much better. Higgins playing 3rd LW makes the most sense. Where he belongs. Simmer on the Twins wing will be what you guys hoped for in Kassian on theyre wing. Ladd with Kesler to me is a scary. I dont wanna see it happen. Good thing it prolly wont.
- poisondhearts37

I don't think we are cup contenders with that line up, and it guts our prospect pool which is finally starting to build up
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
Dany Hank Burrows
Ladd Santo Kesler
Higgins Horvat Kassian
Sestito Richardson Archy

I'd be happy with this next year

- LeftCoaster


Booth? Bought out?

If the Cap goes up to $70m, as the NHL is prognosticating, I would hope the Canucks look better than this.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:22 PM ET
Booth? Bought out?

If the Cap goes up to $70m, as the NHL is prognosticating, I would hope the Canucks look better than this.

- 1970vintage

I don't feel comfortable with Santo as a top 6, Higgins is a better player then him
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
I don't think we are cup contenders with that line up, and it guts our prospect pool which is finally starting to build up
- Bieksa#3

I hear ya. But if you dont make the moves now then signing the Twins doesnt look so good. Its all about committing to winning. If you dont add those guys who you feel dont make you contenders. Then your not going to be contenders with the Sedins. By the time your prospects (granted they pan out) are legit top notch players the Twins will be retiring or at the tail end of theyre career. The time is now while theyre still effective. Like the deal Leftcoaster proposed for Ladd. I said it could happen with only one of those prospects. I cant remember the last time two high end prospects were traded for one player. And Edler is an asset in a trade all day.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
I don't feel comfortable with Santo as a top 6, Higgins is a better player then him
- Bieksa#3


I also don't think Horvat is ready for NHL duty, or that Kassian has cemented himself as an everyday player.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:25 PM ET
I don't feel comfortable with Santo as a top 6, Higgins is a better player then him
- Bieksa#3

Yeah I agree. Santo cant be penciled in as a top 6. Hes very unpredictable. Could fall back to obscurity.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:26 PM ET


Higgins has 3 20 goal seasons and has been on pace for 20 in each of the last 3 seasons. But he does have somewhat stone hand imo

- Bieksa#3

Sorry I meant 30 goal seasons; still don't think he's a guy on the second line that's gonna get the job done for us.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:27 PM ET
I agree, two legit (to quit) wingers to play with Kesler, maybe that's the "first line"...Sedin's and Burrows the second line.
- 1970vintage

All top lines have a passer ,a sniper and a person who makes space and protects . Do you see anything remotely close to that on Canucks?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 5 @ 1:28 PM ET
Booth? Bought out?

If the Cap goes up to $70m, as the NHL is prognosticating, I would hope the Canucks look better than this.

- 1970vintage

Send him to the Jets for Ladd

We have these options, trade for a player or develop a player. I don't see a top six player (that's ready) in the organization.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:28 PM ET
As of right now, the Canucks have $61m committed to 17 players for next season. That leaves only $10m (projected) for 6 players. This includes:

Booth's $4.25m and Corrado in the lineup on the final year of his ELC.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 5 @ 1:29 PM ET
We'll never win with Higgins as our second line LW'er, he's just not good enough to play that role on a continual basis. Love what he does, but he's never had a 20 goal season, we need (as you can see last night) legit top six players.
- LeftCoaster

Agree
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