Trouba would be a nice piece for any team. I think Kane is going to be really good, and maybe Bogosian. Do they have Vince Trochek (spelling?)?
- jmatchett383

No that's Florida I believe.

Ryan Wilson: Assessing the Penguins Bottom 6 Forward Unit
Penguins bottom 6 forwards not getting the job done
- Ryan_Wilson

Steve Ott would be a GREAT 3rd liner for u guys
Great at faceoffs too, so that would help make your 3rd line a better "puck possession" line

Steve Ott would be a GREAT 3rd liner for u guys
Great at faceoffs too, so that would help make your 3rd line a better "puck possession" line
- jdfitz77

Not really sure that Shero wants to give up another 1st round pick for a rental again this year.

Also to re-sign a guy like Ott if they did acquire him would most likely be pushing 4M per season. Which is above his actual value, somebody will pay it though.

Not really sure that Shero wants to give up another 1st round pick for a rental again this year.

Also to re-sign a guy like Ott if they did acquire him would most likely be pushing 4M per season. Which is above his actual value, somebody will pay it though.
- Ryan_Wilson

I'm with you would love ott but not giving up a 1st. Having young players contribute on their entry level deal is a must. Trading your 1st year after year doesn't help with that balance. Just look at the defense for example if Orpik and nisk walk that's almost 6 mil and you'd replace it with about 1.5. If they are close to being as productive that's a huge win

i realize the duh factor here, but id be certainly willing to play ball value wise if he was signed. for a rental, i wont go there again.
- stayinthefnnet

Rentals are not a bad thing sometimes if used correctly like Guerin was, Iggy was not.

Rentals are not a bad thing sometimes if used correctly like Guerin was, Iggy was not.
- nbartley9

Just curious why everyone blames bylsma for misuse of iginla and he skates free with no criticism. At no point did I feel like iginla played with the heart and intensity I was used to seeing with him. If it was because he was being played out of position that's sad. Full disclosure I agree he wasn't used correctly.

Just curious why everyone blames bylsma for misuse of iginla and he skates free with no criticism. At no point did I feel like iginla played with the heart and intensity I was used to seeing with him. If it was because he was being played out of position that's sad. Full disclosure I agree he wasn't used correctly.
- dbell646

His run with the Penguins definitely tainted my view of him. He was my favorite player outside of Pittsburgh and I was over the top thrilled when we traded for him, but he just never seemed to have the motivation or drive that he had always played with in Calgary. It was such a huge disappointment. I don't know if he thought he would be with Crosby, or if he was upset that he was moved to the other wing. But either way, if one of those things caused him to lose that motivation and drive, it is like you said, sad.

Just curious why everyone blames bylsma for misuse of iginla and he skates free with no criticism. At no point did I feel like iginla played with the heart and intensity I was used to seeing with him. If it was because he was being played out of position that's sad. Full disclosure I agree he wasn't used correctly.
- dbell646

The problem was that they traded for a top 6 right winger when they were already set at that position. There was no spot to use him correctly.

Basically Iginla forced his own trade to Pittsburgh and Ray Shero was put in a spot where he said F it, I'll do the deal. We'll figure things out after the fact.

What's the weather in Edmonton? Warming up here, finally. Should hit 45F.

His run with the Penguins definitely tainted my view of him. He was my favorite player outside of Pittsburgh and I was over the top thrilled when we traded for him, but he just never seemed to have the motivation or drive that he had always played with in Calgary. It was such a huge disappointment. I don't know if he thought he would be with Crosby, or if he was upset that he was moved to the other wing. But either way, if one of those things caused him to lose that motivation and drive, it is like you said, sad.
- PensFan1103

In his very first interview after he was traded for he said he was excited to play with Sidney.

Just curious why everyone blames bylsma for misuse of iginla and he skates free with no criticism. At no point did I feel like iginla played with the heart and intensity I was used to seeing with him. If it was because he was being played out of position that's sad. Full disclosure I agree he wasn't used correctly.
- dbell646

Iggy was redundant. He wasn't needed. We had the top or second best power play in the league at the time. He wasn't a need.

I don't want to give up another first round pick for another rental. That is dumb.

Agree with all the comments so far, but want to add that Iginla and Morrow did more to drag down team speed than they did to add toughness. It had been a long time since a team had been faster than the Penguins, but it happened in the first round against the Islanders.

One more point - the Penguins lost in the ECF mainly because of Tuuka Rask.

Agree with all the comments so far, but want to add that Iginla and Morrow did more to drag down team speed than they did to add toughness. It had been a long time since a team had been faster than the Penguins, but it happened in the first round against the Islanders.

One more point - the Penguins lost in the ECF mainly because of Tuuka Rask.
- hardnosed

Tuuka was pretty good, but we had absolutely no net front presence; he saw every single shot from the time it left our sticks until the time it sunk into his jersey. We didn't play Penguins hockey against them, we tried beating them at Bruins hockey; and we were put in that situation by the most overrated coach in the history of professional sports.

Anybody who thought we were getting the Iggy or Morrow of 5/6 years ago didn't watch those guys last season. Morrow IMO was washed up. I wanted no parts of him. Iggy was no where near the superstar he use to be either.

I never expected much out of Morrow, but I watched a lot of Calgary last year and Iggy still had a bomb of a shot. It would have been fun to see if his right handed shot made a difference on a stagnant PP during the Boston series.

The problem was that they traded for a top 6 right winger when they were already set at that position. There was no spot to use him correctly.

Basically Iginla forced his own trade to Pittsburgh and Ray Shero was put in a spot where he said F it, I'll do the deal. We'll figure things out after the fact.
- Ryan_Wilson

Right but how's that in any way Bylsma's fault? Iginla could have been like F it lets go get a cup put me on the left side and I'll give you everything I got. He clearly didn't do that. In our 1st game against Boston this year he was in Crosby's face and tride to goat Malkin in to going with him at the end of a period. He did none of that here. In fact he was lazy slow and disinterested. I blame him for that.

Tuuka was pretty good, but we had absolutely no net front presence; he saw every single shot from the time it left our sticks until the time it sunk into his jersey. We didn't play Penguins hockey against them, we tried beating them at Bruins hockey; and we were put in that situation by the most overrated coach in the history of professional sports.
- nbartley9

He is improving as time goes by, I believe.

Calgary has lost 5 in a row at home. Shutout 5 of the last 7 games. Lost last 2 by a combined 11-0.

If they beat us tomorrow I'm going to lose my poop.

Calgary has lost 5 in a row at home. Shutout 5 of the last 7 games. Lost last 2 by a combined 11-0.

If they beat us tomorrow I'm going to lose my poop.
- canadianpenfan

Hopefully not in your pants

Calgary has lost 5 in a row at home. Shutout 5 of the last 7 games. Lost last 2 by a combined 11-0.

If they beat us tomorrow I'm going to lose my poop.
- canadianpenfan

They'll drop 8 on us tomorrow.

Right but how's that in any way Bylsma's fault? Iginla could have been like F it lets go get a cup put me on the left side and I'll give you everything I got. He clearly didn't do that. In our 1st game against Boston this year he was in Crosby's face and tride to goat Malkin in to going with him at the end of a period. He did none of that here. In fact he was lazy slow and disinterested. I blame him for that.
- dbell646

exactly. guys like guerin in that situation, you could have put him on defense for gods sake. even if he was drastically struggling at a new position, you would have noticed the effort. there is a difference between struggling to fit in and general apathy. if anything, he seemed much closer to the latter than the former. its not like when someone struggles and you can tell theyre gripping the stick too tight or pressing due to overthinking.

a perfect example to me is letang. when he has his gaffes, you can tell they are due to mental errors and pressing, rather than simply laziness. for all of the griping we do as a lot about letang, i cannot remember one instance in which someone accused him of apathy. iggy, for a guy who was supposed to be the biggest heart and soul guy in the league, really displayed none of it.

Right but how's that in any way Bylsma's fault? Iginla could have been like F it lets go get a cup put me on the left side and I'll give you everything I got. He clearly didn't do that. In our 1st game against Boston this year he was in Crosby's face and tride to goat Malkin in to going with him at the end of a period. He did none of that here. In fact he was lazy slow and disinterested. I blame him for that.
- dbell646

Everything is Bylsma's fault, where have you been?

Right but how's that in any way Bylsma's fault? Iginla could have been like F it lets go get a cup put me on the left side and I'll give you everything I got. He clearly didn't do that. In our 1st game against Boston this year he was in Crosby's face and tride to goat Malkin in to going with him at the end of a period. He did none of that here. In fact he was lazy slow and disinterested. I blame him for that.
- dbell646

Bylsma's only fault with Iginla was not using him on the PP

exactly. guys like guerin in that situation, you could have put him on defense for gods sake. even if he was drastically struggling at a new position, you would have noticed the effort. there is a difference between struggling to fit in and general apathy. if anything, he seemed much closer to the latter than the former. its not like when someone struggles and you can tell theyre gripping the stick too tight or pressing due to overthinking.

a perfect example to me is letang. when he has his gaffes, you can tell they are due to mental errors and pressing, rather than simply laziness. for all of the griping we do as a lot about letang, i cannot remember one instance in which someone accused him of apathy. iggy, for a guy who was supposed to be the biggest heart and soul guy in the league, really displayed none of it.
- stayinthefnnet

Say what you want about Brenden Morrow's lack of speed or poor play (even though he was hurt), at least he had some heart and soul in his game when he got here. He was in the crease, in scrums, the whole Subban thing...

Iggy was just like "Awww shucks... these guys are great... I'm just happy to be here..." etc.

edit- I don't even really hold that against Iginla. It was a completely new experience for him, he was in the same place for 20 years. Mid season, all of the attention, going from last to a Cup favorite. It had to be a whirlwind. At least this year, he has the offseason to get his head straight.

Say what you want about Brenden Morrow's lack of speed or poor play (even though he was hurt), at least he had some heart and soul in his game when he got here. He was in the crease, in scrums, the whole Subban thing...

Iggy was just like "Awww shucks... these guys are great... I'm just happy to be here..." etc.

edit- I don't even really hold that against Iginla. It was a completely new experience for him, he was in the same place for 20 years. Mid season, all of the attention, going from last to a Cup favorite. It had to be a whirlwind. At least this year, he has the offseason to get his head straight.
- rival22

This is how I saw it. It was a bit of an overwhelming experience. Changing teams, changing positions. He was vilified for the way he controlled the trade. I never felt he was lazy, I just thought he was having problems adapting. Not to mention, just as soon as he got here, Sid gets blasted in the mouth and basically misses the rest of the regular season. Not exactly the perfect scenario for developing chemistry with a team.

Everything is Bylsma's fault, where have you been?
- canadianpenfan

Also, Whitney, Staal, and Hossa's fault. Spread the blame around to all that are at fault, Canadian.