Ehrhoff is more of a 2-way guy. He leads his team in SH TOI/G.

He would be a decent Kimmo replacement, especially with his low cap hit.
- Feanor

Out of necessity... when he was actually playing for good teams (VAN, SJ) he wasn't leaned on quite as heavily.

Adding Erhoff would have minimal impact on Streit, he's far more Timonen than another Streit. He'd easily be the Flyers best defenseman if he were to be acquired, and he will cost a lot more than a 2nd rounder.
- Jsaquella

Yeah. You right. I always pictured Ehrhoff as a scoring dman, but he's not bad in his own end at all. In fact, he's pretty good.

The point of the proposal is to see if you'd be willing to eat Leinos cap for the remained of his deal in order to get Ehrhoff.
- PhillySportsGuy

Gotcha...and that answer is "yes."

There are no other contingencies. It more about whether you'd be willing to take on Leino in order to get Ehrhoff at a more discounted rate.
- PhillySportsGuy

Then no. Contract, age plus iffy in his own zone... we already have a guy who's there to unload bombs from the point. Of course, Ehrhoff is head and shoulders better than Streit, but having both of them on the blueline would make them very easy to play against.

Leino has way too big of a cap hit to carry around for three more years.

If Hartnell is bad value at 23 points in 41 games at $4.75m, then what is Leino's 6 points in 26 games at $4.5m?

Leino has way too big of a cap hit to carry around for three more years.

If Hartnell is bad value at 23 points in 41 games at $4.75m, then what is Leino's 6 points in 26 games at $4.5m?
- Feanor

Out of necessity... when he was actually playing for good teams (VAN, SJ) he wasn't leaned on quite as heavily.
- Tomahawk

Actually, every year since 2007-08, Erhoff has averaged over 22 minutes per game and over 2 mins per night on the PK. That includes 2 years in San Jose, 2 in Vancouver and his time in Buffalo.

The lone exception is 2008-09, where he was under 2 mins on the PK-came in at 1:45 that season. I'd take a legitimate top pair defenseman that plays 22-25 minutes a night, in all situations, that has a $4mm cap hit

Actually, every year since 2007-08, Erhoff has averaged over 22 minutes per game and over 2 mins per night on the PK. That includes 2 years in San Jose, 2 in Vancouver and his time in Buffalo.

The lone exception is 2008-09, where he was under 2 mins on the PK-came in at 1:45 that season. I'd take a legitimate top pair defenseman that plays 22-25 minutes a night, in all situations, that has a $4mm cap hit
- Jsaquella

Ehrhoff would intrigue me as well. I don't think he'd demand the kind of package it would take to get guys like Byfuglien or Yandle and he's better defensively than those guys.

Who really knows what the Yotes wanted. Trading JVR at the time he was traded made little sense to me. He was coming off the worst year of his career. A season where he had numerous injuries (concussion, broken foot, bruised sternum). If you want to use JVR as trade bait for landing a D-man, why trade him when his stock is at an all time low?

I bet if Nonis called the Yotes now, JVR could net the Leafs Yandle.
- PLindbergh31

I'd take that bet...

I think many Flyer fans overrate JVR since the trade...just for kicks, I did a quickie comparison of JVR vs. B Schenn this season:

JVR :
17G 17A -4

B SCHENN
11G 17A +2

BUT, look inside the icetime etc. and you can see that JVR gets about 5 mins more icetime per game, including 1 minute per game of additional PP time vs. Schenn...this accounts for most of JVR's additional goals vs. Schenn (JVR has 7 PPGs vs. Schenn's 3).

Look at a stat that takes away that PP advantage for JVR

Goals per 60 mins of (5v5) icetime:
JVR: .63
B Schenn: .72

Points per 60 mins of (5v5) icetime:
JVR: 1.71
B Schenn: 1.85

Now consider the age and experience:

AGE:
JVR: 24
BSchenn: 22

NHL (Reg Season) GAMES PLAYED:
JVR: 289
B Schenn: 156


Also consider Schenn has more hits and possibly a better defensive game (+2 vs. -4, yes I know +/- is iffy at best) and has played out of position a good amount of his time in the league...


It seems to me one can make a case that Brayden Schenn is a better (or, the more valuable) player, at a younger age (and a lot less NHL game experience) than JVR...now, would Nonis trade Yandle for Schenn? Would you?

Actually, every year since 2007-08, Erhoff has averaged over 22 minutes per game and over 2 mins per night on the PK. That includes 2 years in San Jose, 2 in Vancouver and his time in Buffalo.

The lone exception is 2008-09, where he was under 2 mins on the PK-came in at 1:45 that season. I'd take a legitimate top pair defenseman that plays 22-25 minutes a night, in all situations, that has a $4mm cap hit
- Jsaquella

Plus, the cap's going up next year, Timonen's gone, Meszaros is gone. We could afford to take a bad contract to get the right defenseman in here.

I'd take Erhoff in a second, guy is fantastic at the puck possession game which the Flyers need in a big way.

Ehrhoff would intrigue me as well. I don't think he'd demand the kind of package it would take to get guys like Byfuglien or Yandle and he's better defensively than those guys.
- PhillySportsGuy

Buffalo would want kids and picks, which is the issue. I'd like to deal guys off the roster.

Erhoff would actually be my top target. Just doubt the Sabres give him away, even if the Flyers took a bad contract back.

Plus, the cap's going up next year, Timonen's gone, Meszaros is gone. We could afford to take a bad contract to get the right defenseman in here.
- AllInForFlyers

Flyers' fans should never say that we can "afford to take a bad contract". I'm tired of bad contracts. How about we stick to good contracts moving forward?

Actually, every year since 2007-08, Erhoff has averaged over 22 minutes per game and over 2 mins per night on the PK. That includes 2 years in San Jose, 2 in Vancouver and his time in Buffalo.

The lone exception is 2008-09, where he was under 2 mins on the PK-came in at 1:45 that season. I'd take a legitimate top pair defenseman that plays 22-25 minutes a night, in all situations, that has a $4mm cap hit
- Jsaquella

Sure, but he was supporting cast member on the PK, not the flag-bearer.

He's a lot like Carle defensively... blocks shots, good stick, covers a lot of ground... but has some of the same downsides (strength) and a greater penchant for brain farts and risk-taking...

If I were building a d-group from scratch, I'd consider that trade. But with the blueline the Flyers have at present? I'm not sure it would improve the mix.... it might exacerbate some of the flaws.

Buffalo would want kids and picks, which is the issue. I'd like to deal guys off the roster.

Erhoff would actually be my top target. Just doubt the Sabres give him away, even if the Flyers took a bad contract back.
- Jsaquella

I would be ok with giving up a first rounder or one prospect for him. He is a guy who will be on the top pairing for several years. I could see him playing well into his late 30s.

Flyers' fans should never say that we can "afford to take a bad contract". I'm tired of bad contracts. How about we stick to good contracts moving forward?
- steelydan

Lol, you are asking for the moon there.

Flyers' fans should never say that we can "afford to take a bad contract". I'm tired of bad contracts. How about we stick to good contracts moving forward?
- steelydan

In theory, yes, you are correct: No one wants a bad contract.

But in reality...almost every team has one or more contracts they live to regret. It's just the cost of doing business.

Sure, but he was supporting cast member on the PK, not the flag-bearer.

He's a lot like Carle defensively... blocks shots, good stick, covers a lot of ground... but has some of the same downsides (strength) and a greater penchant for brain farts and risk-taking... it might exacerbate some of the flaws.

If I were building a d-group from scratch, I'd consider that trade. But with the blueline the Flyers have at present? I'm not sure it would improve the mix.
- Tomahawk

In another 4-5 months, the Flyers will be shedding Timonen & Meszaros from the blueline. Going to need to replace them.

And no, he wasn't the leader in ice time on the PK, but he still played a ton of minutes on good, playoff teams.

In theory, yes, you are correct: No one wants a bad contract.

But in reality...almost every team has one or more contracts they live to regret. It's just the cost of doing business.
- AllInForFlyers

Think the Flyers firmly fall in the 'more' category

Sure, but he was supporting cast member on the PK, not the flag-bearer.

He's a lot like Carle defensively... blocks shots, good stick, covers a lot of ground... but has some of the same downsides (strength) and a greater penchant for brain farts and risk-taking...

If I were building a d-group from scratch, I'd consider that trade. But with the blueline the Flyers have at present? I'm not sure it would improve the mix.... it might exacerbate some of the flaws.
- Tomahawk

He did manage to finish +6 on a team that was 6th worst in goal differential last year. He logged some heavy minutes too.

I think a trade to a new team would revitalize him a bit.

Plus, the cap's going up next year, Timonen's gone, Meszaros is gone. We could afford to take a bad contract to get the right defenseman in here.
- AllInForFlyers

Not really. The Flyers will still be hard against the cap to start the season because of Pronger, and Giroux's huge raise. Even if they let Downie walk there will only be about $6m to sign free agents assuming they give reasonable raises to their RFAs.

FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($2.900m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.000m)
Cal Heeter ($0.874m)
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,109,720; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $5,990,280

In another 4-5 months, the Flyers will be shedding Timonen & Meszaros from the blueline. Going to need to replace them.
- Jsaquella

Cap-wise, they already essentially replaced one of them w/ Streit. Ehrhoff isn't terrible, but he would be far from my first choice. I'd rather hang on to cap space/tagging space, and take advantage of another team in trouble during the summer/TDL to extract maximum value... not get lured into settling for the best thing currently available, no matter the cost, again.

Buffalo would want kids and picks, which is the issue. I'd like to deal guys off the roster.

Erhoff would actually be my top target. Just doubt the Sabres give him away, even if the Flyers took a bad contract back.
- Jsaquella

I doubt that they would give him away either seeing as the first task of rebuilding that team is to start unloading its veterans. Erhoff is a great fit for this team but I doubt Homer would trade any of the kids off the roster and I have to wonder how high the Flyers organization is on Laughton...would they really trade him ++++ for a defenseman whose is already in his thirties

In another 4-5 months, the Flyers will be shedding Timonen & Meszaros from the blueline. Going to need to replace them.

And no, he wasn't the leader in ice time on the PK, but he still played a ton of minutes on good, playoff teams.
- Jsaquella

I don't think it's a given that Timonen retires yet. Even if he stays, I wouldn't want him playing much more than 20-21 mpg. They do need someone who can play top pairing minutes in the worst way. I just don't want them to make a dumb move. If every team is asking for the world, then we need to just be patient and hope the young guys can contribute soon.

Not really. The Flyers will still be hard against the cap to start the season because of Pronger, and Giroux's huge raise. Even if they let Downie walk there will only be about $6m to sign free agents assuming they give reasonable raises to their RFAs.

FORWARDS
Brayden Schenn ($2.900m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.000m)
Cal Heeter ($0.874m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,109,720; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $5,990,280
- Feanor

True, but you still have the room to do it -- it'll be the same as it ever was: Somebody goes down on opening day, Pronger goes on LTIR, you're set.