Why would Toronto want him?
- PhillySportsGuy

They are desperate for a real center. And we are desperate for Defense. Sounds like perfect trade partners. Gardiner? Also think Nashville was pushing hard for Vinny before he signed here. Maybe get Ellis? All I know is Vinny wants to stay on the East coast. He said he didnt want to be "the man" thus why he signed in Philly. But it appears that not wanting to be "the man" has made him "odd man out".

You might want to check the stat-sheet again.
- Tomahawk

I'm not talking stats, I'm talking hockey ability.

They are desperate for a real center. And we are desperate for Defense. Sounds like perfect trade partners. Gardiner? Also think Nashville was pushing hard for Vinny before he signed here. Maybe get Ellis? All I know is Vinny wants to stay on the East coast. He said he didnt want to be "the man" thus why he signed in Philly. But it appears that not wanting to be "the man" has made in "odd man out".
- youarewrong

Try suggesting Gardiner for Vinny in the Toronto thread and gauge the response.

Try suggesting Colton Orr for Giroux in the Toronto thread and gauge the response.
- Tomahawk

ftfy

I'm not talking stats, I'm talking hockey ability.
- jmatchett383

Vinny's not suited for run and gun anymore... you think Nonis wants him slowing down the tempo of Kessel/JvR?

A line of G, Vinny and Jake and you'll have them all on the perimeter waiting to take a shot. Raffl goes to the net and often drags 2 or 3 defenders with him.

1 so-so game and he's persona non grata.

You might want to check the stat-sheet again.
- Tomahawk

Why? It's not like Toronto's checking it, except to compare hits maybe.

Vinny's not suited for run and gun anymore... you think Nonis wants him slowing down the tempo of Kessel/JvR?
- Tomahawk

I don't know what Nonis wants. But agreed, he's a useless player now.

This.

Although I'd put G on the left so Jake can stay on the right.
- Tomahawk

In an ideal world, we'd run the third line of Read-Couturier-Downie as our two-way shutdown line and be aggressive with a fourth line of Hall-Vinny-Scoring Winger TBD.

There's no reason on this Earth that you HAVE to play Rinaldo or Rosehill. Lecavalier would still get his PP minutes and you could actually play that line 10-12 minutes at even strength, until you figure out exactly what you're going to do with Vinny, long-term.

I was in favor of his signing, and still am. He can still play. But he's not a winger, and he has average speed, at best. He's a center who needs to play with scoring wingers who can skate, where his hockey sense allows him to play the trailer and pop into holes.

The guy can still play.

Why? It's not like Toronto's checking it, except to compare hits maybe.
- BulliesPhan87

Haha, well played.

You might want to check the stat-sheet again.
- Tomahawk

Bozak centers JVR and Kessel, though.

Vinny is wasted as a wing, but I don't know what to do with him since BSchenn seems to be thriving as a center. It would solve a lot of problems if BSchenn could be the 1LW. I don't think Raffl is cutting it there anymore.

Bozak centers JVR and Kessel.
- Feanor

So did Kadri.

Vinny for Gardiner would leave Toronto with AAV Space of -2,654,167.

I'm not sure where this team should put vinny. Downie played one shift with read and couturier and it ended up being their best shift of the night. You can't break up schenns line and every time vinny plays with jake and g they struggle defensively. Not saying we need to get rid of him at all costs but he does appear to have no good place in the lineup right now
- PhillySportsGuy

I would play Vinny at third line center with Read and Downie. Move Couturier to 4th line center with McGinn and Rinaldo when he is healthy. Or play Vinny #1 center and move G to the wing. Play Raffl with Couturier and Read. Downie could play on the 4th line.

I would play Vinny at third line center with Read and Downie. Move Couturier to 4th line center with McGinn and Rinaldo when he is healthy.
- mickel25

This is the worst idea yet.

Weber was awesome. What do you guys think it would take to get him? I thought B.Schenn, Coburn, Morin and Laughton plus two 1st's would be close.

I think he is completely worth it. Not going to happen but fun to speculate.

Haha, well played.
- Tomahawk

I calls em like I sees em. Vinny's got ten more hits than Bozak, btw.

Vinny for Gardiner would leave Toronto with AAV Space of -2,654,167.
- Feanor

15 days till MJL.

Weber was awesome. What do you guys think it would take to get him? I thought B.Schenn, Coburn, Morin and Laughton plus two 1st's would be close.

I think he is completely worth it. Not going to happen but fun to speculate.
- mickel25

It would take a time machine and a guy that could make the Predators ownership less financially solvent.

Preds ownership went into their own pockets to swallow that contract Holmgren laid on them. I suspect they are pot committed at this point.

The guy can still play.
- AllInForFlyers

No doubt.

H just shouldn't be supplanting any of these wonderful young centers we have. The evidence is strong that Baby Schenn and Coots are best in the middle. And G you want handling the puck as much as possible.

Vinny as a 4th-line C, under a coach that doesn't seem to care to play his 4th-line much, makes me sad.

See what I did there?
- Tomahawk

Weber was awesome. What do you guys think it would take to get him? I thought B.Schenn, Coburn, Morin and Laughton plus two 1st's would be close.

I think he is completely worth it. Not going to happen but fun to speculate.
- mickel25

I just spit my coffee out.

I don't know what Nonis wants. But agreed, he's a useless player now.
- jmatchett383

I hope this is sarcasm. I mean Toronto was right there with Montreal, Nashville, and the Flyers in the race to sign Vinny. He has a 4 year deal, that considering the cap going up isnt going to kill any team for what he brings. Toronto FANS might not like it, but Gardiner for Vinny is a good deal for both teams. Put the Cap aside, moves could be made.

No doubt.

H just shouldn't be supplanting any of these wonderful young centers we have. The evidence is strong that Baby Schenn and Coots are best in the middle. And G you want handling the puck as much as possible.

Vinny as a 4th-line C, under a coach that doesn't seem to care to play his 4th-line much, makes me sad.
- Tomahawk

Yeah. It makes me sad, too.

I'm extremely glad that Baby Schenn's breaking out, and I absolutely don't think it's good for him or the team to make him move since he's doing just that.

But Vinny came here because we didn't know what the hell we were going to get out of Schenn or Couturier. We had no idea what those guys were going to produce.

I don't know what to do with Vinny now. I admit it. But if Baby Schenn wasn't producing, we'd have been screwed not to have him.

Tough situation, at the moment.

Weber was awesome. What do you guys think it would take to get him? I thought B.Schenn, Coburn, Morin and Laughton plus two 1st's would be close.

I think he is completely worth it. Not going to happen but fun to speculate.
- mickel25

Off top of my head Im thinking Couturier, Laughton, Voracek and maybe 2 firsts? I don't know, not good at this.