Was at that jets oilers game, pretty hostile environment for a oilers fan

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441685 Samwise to Chi town??

The same tools who suggest Yakupov for Reimer would be a fair trade or that Cam Ward would cost Eberle+(+)? Yeah, I'd take their opinions with a fairly large grain of salt.
- MaximumBone

Who the h-e double hockey stick suggested that?

Who the h-e double hockey stick suggested that?
- sanfordnson

Both were Dreger, but the Cam Ward one was also endorsed by the others on the panel (I think it was 'That's Hockey'). That Yakupov for Reimer one has been making rounds since Dreger suggested Yak wouldn't be enough for Reimer "considering his (Yak's) situation".

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441685 Samwise to Chi town??
- saskoil21

That's great and all, but who could we realistically get from them? They're not giving up a Dman of any significance (top-5 seems set with #6 rotating) and any forwards I would want are too important to the team's playoff run. A guy like Kruger would be a great addition, but that's not gonna happen. Mark McNeill and maybe a pick? But that doesn't really help us in the foreseeable future so I don't see MacT making such a deal (unless he wants to free up cap space).

That's great and all, but who could we realistically get from them? They're not giving up a Dman of any significance (top-5 seems set with #6 rotating) and any forwards I would want are too important to the team's playoff run. A guy like Kruger would be a great addition, but that's not gonna happen. Mark McNeill and maybe a pick? But that doesn't really help us in the foreseeable future so I don't see MacT making such a deal (unless he wants to free up cap space).
- MaximumBone

At the deadline- cant see why not considering both sides are basically willing to move on...

Who the h-e double hockey stick suggested that?
- sanfordnson

Cox was tweeting Yak for Reimer this summer....

Dreger saying Eberle plus for Ward....

I don't know how these guys are still employed....

This why I hate advanced stats. Watching him play is frustrating as hell, lately he has the scoring touch of Shawn Horcoff.
- Reveen

Scoring touch doesn't have much to do with Corsi anyways.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441685 Samwise to Chi town??
- saskoil21

I don't see a move for Gags in season. No one will give up what we need back when they are looking for a push.

I think we'll see Hemmer and maybe a couple smaller pieces moved but not for much.

Cox was tweeting Yak for Reimer this summer....

Dreger saying Eberle plus for Ward....

I don't know how these guys are still employed....
- Iggysbff

(frank) are those 2 TO homers... Ward is barely worth much more than parcel of draft picks as his best years are behind him... let alone a sniper with sick hands that has not even fringed on his peak...

Cox was tweeting Yak for Reimer this summer....

Dreger saying Eberle plus for Ward....

I don't know how these guys are still employed....
- Iggysbff

It aint 2006 anymore lol. No way in hell Ward is worth Eberle +. Have these guys bothered checking what goalies have gone for in recent years? Jesus...

(frank) are those 2 TO homers... Ward is barely worth much more than parcel of draft picks as his best years are behind him... let alone a sniper with sick hands that has not even fringed on his peak...
- saskoil21

D. Cox hates the leafs. Dreger is dreger and is pretty on point most times this is not one of them.

It aint 2006 anymore lol. No way in hell Ward is worth Eberle +. Have these guys bothered checking what goalies have gone for in recent years? Jesus...
- sanfordnson

Then they go on to say Edmonton is over valuing their players and its holding up potential deals.....

Just crunching some numbers, I'm writing a blog about it:

+/- Correlates about 76% with puck luck.

PDO is a sum of on-ice shooting percentage and on-ice save-percentage for a player. It regresses heavily to a mean of 1000, so if you're above 1000 you're doing quite luckily and below it, you're doing quite unluckily.

151 of the top 200 in PDO (MIN 30GP) are in the top 200 in +/-.

Just crunching some numbers, I'm writing a blog about it:

+/- Correlates about 76% with puck luck.

PDO is a sum of on-ice shooting percentage and on-ice save-percentage for a player. It regresses heavily to a mean of 1000, so if you're above 1000 you're doing quite luckily and below it, you're doing quite unluckily.

151 of the top 200 in PDO (MIN 30GP) are in the top 200 in +/-.
- Morris

If I recall correctly, most of the team is suffering from bad "puck luck". There was a short time earlier in the season that Gagner's PDO was sub-800.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441685 Samwise to Chi town??
- saskoil21

It's Matheson I don't really buy it. I also don't know what we'd get out of them anyway.

Tsn 1260 suggest edm offer sheet subban $10m per over 7 years...3 first rounders gone.

Or acquire ehrhoff and Michalek from phx...

What do you guys think of Klein from nsh?

I don't see a move for Gags in season. No one will give up what we need back when they are looking for a push.

I think we'll see Hemmer and maybe a couple smaller pieces moved but not for much.
- Iggysbff

I would consider mcneill and a 2nd for gags.

doesn't sound like much, but id be happy to ditch gags contract, and mcneill has some of the tools we could desperately used. skating isn't his strong suit, but he's efficient, big and talented both ways.

best case, he's much better for this team than gags. worst case, we saved 4.5 mil on a guy that isn't right for this team anyway

Gagner gets the toughest competition on the Oilers (44th highest in NHL among regular forwards).

He's scored 19 points in his last 30 games (50 point pace), with 75% of that coming at ES.

I find it weird how he's become this single beacon of failure for the team, especially when he actually has a positive Relative Corsi. We have better possession when he is on the ice than off it.
- Morris

This is exactly the proof that all of these computer-nerd gay little stats don't matter. "relative corsi"? Go tell a guy in the show that he needs to improve his relative corsi and see what happens to you...

Gagner floats, Gagner is last to re-enter his own zone many times (he's the Centerman btw), Gagner doesn't say "boo" to his man while standing beside him in the slot.

He can maintain posession with his slick hands for 45seconds of his shift...but all it takes is one stupid, lazy, "relative Gagner" for 1 second and the puck is in the back of his own net. These stats are so annoying.

I would consider mcneill and a 2nd for gags.
- hugefemale dog77

My big concern with that is McNeil has a ways to go before making the NHL, let alone being an impact player. I'd probably pass for now.

My big concern with that is McNeil has a ways to go before making the NHL, let alone being an impact player. I'd probably pass for now.
- Lahey

fair enough.

he's certainly a question mark long term. ima big fan, but I see your point.

id be trying to move gags before ntc

This is exactly the proof that all of these computer-nerd gay little stats don't matter. "relative corsi"? Go tell a guy in the show that he needs to improve his relative corsi and see what happens to you...

Gagner floats, Gagner is last to re-enter his own zone many times (he's the Centerman btw), Gagner doesn't say "boo" to his man while standing beside him in the slot.

He can maintain posession with his slick hands for 45seconds of his shift...but all it takes is one stupid, lazy, "relative Gagner" for 1 second and the puck is in the back of his own net. These stats are so annoying.
- JLO961

morris is far from what id consider just a stats guy. he looks at both sides, while you and I might tend to only focus on stuff that isn't as quantifiable. not neccasarily any better.

ill agree that gags should move on, but not for the reasons you suggest. he can be a successful 2c if surrounded by the right guys. it just doesn't look like that's possible here. and that's as much mngmts fault as anything else. he's become a scapegoat due to being the least talented of an already small top 6.

fair enough.

he's certainly a question mark long term. ima big fan, but I see your point.

id be trying to move gags before ntc
- hugefemale dog77

This...

morris is far from what id consider just a stats guy. he looks at both sides, while you and I might tend to only focus on stuff that isn't as quantifiable. not neccasarily any better.

ill agree that gags should move on, but not for the reasons you suggest. he can be a successful 2c if surrounded by the right guys. it just doesn't look like that's possible here. and that's as much mngmts fault as anything else. he's become a scapegoat due to being the least talented of an already small top 6.
- hugefemale dog77

I also agree with you about Morris...good guy. I just don't like those stats. AT ALL. You are very correct in pegging me for an old school guy though. No one talked about that shiit years ago when the game was much better (doesn't mean it's not relevant, I just hate it). The game has changed a lot.

morris is far from what id consider just a stats guy. he looks at both sides, while you and I might tend to only focus on stuff that isn't as quantifiable. not neccasarily any better.

ill agree that gags should move on, but not for the reasons you suggest. he can be a successful 2c if surrounded by the right guys. it just doesn't look like that's possible here. and that's as much mngmts fault as anything else. he's become a scapegoat due to being the least talented of an already small top 6.
- hugefemale dog77

This and we traded the biggest scapegoat in DD- so it was either Gagner or Smyth...