He was a -27 or something in Corsi. Now I know people don;t like advanced stats, but all Corsi does is measure shots for and against while a player is on the ice. Grossmann on the season is basically out for 2.5 shots against 1 for.

Most defensive defensemen have negative Corsi's, but Grossmann's is glaring. It's more worrisome to me when you consider that Coburn and Timonen face tougher competition than Grossamnn does and have better numbers, in terms of possession(shots)
- Jsaquella

It has to be worrisome, because that number indicates what we think we're seeing: Grossmann's lack of speed is killing him on closeouts, puck retrieval, races to pucks...

As you said, it's not the be-all/end-all. But when you look at the player's strengths and weaknesses, watch the games, then look at the advanced stats after...sometimes, yikes.

He was a -27 or something in Corsi. Now I know people don;t like advanced stats, but all Corsi does is measure shots for and against while a player is on the ice. Grossmann on the season is basically out for 2.5 shots against 1 for.

Most defensive defensemen have negative Corsi's, but Grossmann's is glaring. It's more worrisome to me when you consider that Coburn and Timonen face tougher competition than Grossamnn does and have better numbers, in terms of possession(shots)
- Jsaquella

I am just developing this theory over a cup of coffee, so feel free to disagree with it, but it seems to me Corsi stats will punish good shot-blockers.

A blocked shot (in my mind - don't have stats to back it up) will have a greater likelyhood of being re-captured by the attacking team than one that goes on net. It means a greater chance of another shot being taken.

Sorry, it's a bad stat when a guy can block five shots and have a worse rating than a guy who pulls a flamingo and the puck goes in on the first shot.

I am just developing this theory over a cup of coffee, so feel free to disagree with it, but it seems to me Corsi stats will punish good shot-blockers.

A blocked shot (in my mind - don't have stats to back it up) will have a greater likelyhood of being re-captured by the attacking team than one that goes on net. It means a greater chance of another shot being taken.

Sorry, it's a bad stat when a guy can block five shots and have a worse rating than a guy who pulls a flamingo and the puck goes in on the first shot.
- Atomic Wedgie

Corsi, in and of itself, is not telling of the whole story.

However, when you look at 48 games and the trend is over that length of time, then it's telling.

It's the same as looking at shots attempted, because that's all Corsi is. If you're getting outshot at a 2.5 to 1 ratio over 48 games, your team isn't possessing the puck a whole lot.

All stats are subjective, but Grossmann's possession numbers are horrific, even for a shot blocking defensive defenseman. He also fails the eyeball test. He's blown coverages by making a bad read, or running around chasing the puck and those have led to goals against, as well.

I'm not saying that he's not a NHL defenseman, but he is a limited one, and on this roster especially he's redundant and being asked to shoulder too large a load.

Also, if a blocked shot has a greater chance of being grabbed by the attacking team, doesn't that make blocks a somewhat dubious stat itself?