Plz tell me you made this up.
- JoeRussomanno

no i wish i did....at the press conf when they announced berube as coach and some reporter asked about possibly bringing in outside people once in a while. he looked pretty nuts. don't get me wrong: i love the guy and i think he hates this almost as much as we do ( i would say 'as much' but he still makes millions no matter what they do)

Its funny to see the people who eviscerated bryz, now defending mason like their first born.
- JoeRussomanno

If you're insinuating Mason has been anywhere near as bad as Bryz.... well then.

Yet lets all suck the BS that's fed our way. Morin, to make ourselves feel better may develop into something great, but he is a shutdown guy, or projected to be one.

The Flyers had a choice to take a more offensive player, say Morrissey the kind of guys that are actually rare in the game today. Nope lets go with the big bruiser.

They also had a chance at taking Maata instead of Laughton, but hell no, lets ignore the D even more. Hamilton over Couturier? Nobody hates Coots, but you had another chance to address the D and ignored it.

Traded Carter and Richards? Not one real d-man back in those deals.

They put themselves in this mess, and while a lot of fans, and parts of this post may be a little dramatic, the focal point is they had chances to address the issue, and ignored them. I am not even talking about JVR for that joke they have on the blueline now.
- flyer_nutter

I agree with this, but I think they really did themselves a huge disservice by letting Carle walk and the JVR trade. This team needs more two-way defenseman. They're made up of guys who are one dimensional with the exception of Coburn and Timonen. If we still had Carle and JVR netted us a top 4, two way defenseman, we wouldn't be in as much trouble. We wouldn't be clamoring about how long the young guys will take.

If you're insinuating Mason has been anywhere near as bad as Bryz.... well then.
- hereticpride

What im saying is pretty simple, it wasnt all bryzgalov and his critics made it out to be. Here we are half a season in and we're letting 4-5 goals a game in almost. No mason isnt all to blame as the team in front of him is terrible but much was the same with bryzgalov but nobody wanted to hear that. Why? Its pretty obvious that his personality had a lot to do with it but its a shame that people couldnt get past that.

What im saying is pretty simple, it wasnt all bryzgalov and his critics made it out to be. Here we are half a season in and we're letting 4-5 goals a game in almost. No mason isnt all to blame as the team in front of him is terrible but much was the same with bryzgalov but nobody wanted to hear that. Why? Its pretty obvious that his personality had a lot to do with it but its a shame that people couldnt get past that.
- JoeRussomanno

difference is we're only paying mason for 3 more years where bryz.... thank god he's gone

What im saying is pretty simple, it wasnt all bryzgalov and his critics made it out to be. Here we are half a season in and we're letting 4-5 goals a game in almost. No mason isnt all to blame as the team in front of him is terrible but much was the same with bryzgalov but nobody wanted to hear that. Why? Its pretty obvious that his personality had a lot to do with it but its a shame that people couldnt get past that.
- JoeRussomanno

I wish Bryz battled more and could control the puck more. I think Mason is an improvement over that. Im not sure who is better at stopping the puck initially. Overrall I think Mason is an upgrade

I wish Bryz battled more and could control the puck more. I think Mason is an improvement over that. Im not sure who is better at stopping the puck initially. Overrall I think Mason is an upgrade
- Just5

all we need to know about bryz is look at edmonton

What im saying is pretty simple, it wasnt all bryzgalov and his critics made it out to be. Here we are half a season in and we're letting 4-5 goals a game in almost. No mason isnt all to blame as the team in front of him is terrible but much was the same with bryzgalov but nobody wanted to hear that. Why? Its pretty obvious that his personality had a lot to do with it but its a shame that people couldnt get past that.
- JoeRussomanno

After last season, most people were in agreement that the team won't get better with a goalie change. They needed to figure out a way to be better on breakouts. A lot of the goals over the last month have been unstoppable. Mason has helped, but the same problems still exist.

It's, also, difficult for a goalie to get any kind of confidence if he's facing a ridiculous amount of chances each night and allowing 3+ goals each night.

I wish Bryz battled more and could control the puck more. I think Mason is an improvement over that. Im not sure who is better at stopping the puck initially. Overrall I think Mason is an upgrade
- Just5

I think Mason is better in every category. Bryz was only good when he was facing the shooter. He can't handle the puck and his lateral movement is so much worse than Mason's. I think Emery is fairly comparable to Bryz except he's better mentally, plays the puck better and a better teammate.

difference is we're only paying mason for 3 more years where bryz.... thank god he's gone
- 2Real

the problem with mason is that by the time they get this turned around he'll be at the end of his deal and/or his confidence will be shattered. thinking about that post that pointed out all the moves that were made without addressing the defense makes me angry. holmgren needs to go and has to be now

Its funny to see the people who eviscerated bryz, now defending mason like their first born.
- JoeRussomanno

I thought Bryz played well here. Sure he gave up some weak goals.. but it's got to be hard to work your ass off for a team that refuses to play defense.

We could have Patrick Roy and we wouldn't win a cup.

- sonar_guy

Sad game. Flyers got absolutely spanked. The forwards are quite bad defensively along the walls while trying to get the puck out of their zone.

But that's a f'n cool mask! Thanks.

Sad game. Flyers got absolutely spanked. The forwards are quite bad defensively along the walls while trying to get the puck out of their zone.

But that's a f'n cool mask! Thanks.
- wolfhounds

It was like a Sci Fi film today. Bruins came into a zombie infested rink and were able to annihilate them

the problem with mason is that by the time they get this turned around he'll be at the end of his deal and/or his confidence will be shattered. thinking about that post that pointed out all the moves that were made without addressing the defense makes me angry. holmgren needs to go and has to be now
- hogweed

Yeah that was a good post. Watching their "war room" tape on their website this summer. I have very little confidence. Its this old crusty scout who has lots of time in the organization who was hellbent on Morin. The other scouts have their opinions but nobody really voicing it. 1 or 2 days before the draft and the board gets really shaken up in that time.......um....what? Its like they rode an emotional roller coaster, and the old scout says "Morin is hard" Yeah, play the game hard! Flyer hockey! Move him way up!

in my professional opinion this team sucks.

I don't mean to look like I am trying to stir the pot but why is the consensus that if Hexy moves up in the organization that everything will be better? Does anyone really know what his contribution was to the Kings Cup wins?

Don't get me wrong this team has been in need of something to right the ship but with the disdain of bringing back ex-Flyers that seems to run rampant on here at times Hextall's appointment to the GM will set him up to fail amongst the fanbase if results are not achieved within a few seasons. Holmgren did a great job after the "season which shall not be named" but the right free agents were there for them to spend freely to give them the quick fix they needed in 2007 - 2008 to allow the younger guys the time they needed to season themselves to take the run in 2010.

Again not trying to fan the flames just adding to the conversation

I don't mean to look like I am trying to stir the pot but why is the consensus that if Hexy moves up in the organization that everything will be better? Does anyone really know what his contribution was to the Kings Cup wins?

Don't get me wrong this team has been in need of something to right the ship but with the disdain of bringing back ex-Flyers that seems to run rampant on here at times Hextall's appointment to the GM will set him up to fail amongst the fanbase if results are not achieved within a few seasons. Holmgren did a great job after the "season which shall not be named" but the right free agents were there for them to spend freely to give them the quick fix they needed in 2007 - 2008 to allow the younger guys the time they needed to season themselves to take the run in 2010.

Again not trying to fan the flames just adding to the conversation
- jackfrost

i don' think anyone knows hextall will be the answer but it seems that holmgrem has kind of Richarded it up but good, has had a couple years to try to fix situation the pronger injury created and has not done it. i think the idea of a new GM is the hope, not specifically hexy

What im saying is pretty simple, it wasnt all bryzgalov and his critics made it out to be. Here we are half a season in and we're letting 4-5 goals a game in almost. No mason isnt all to blame as the team in front of him is terrible but much was the same with bryzgalov but nobody wanted to hear that. Why? Its pretty obvious that his personality had a lot to do with it but its a shame that people couldnt get past that.
- JoeRussomanno

we need to get past him seriously, he's completely irrelevant

I think Mason is better in every category. Bryz was only good when he was facing the shooter. He can't handle the puck and his lateral movement is so much worse than Mason's. I think Emery is fairly comparable to Bryz except he's better mentally, plays the puck better and a better teammate.
- PhillySportsGuy

all excellent points!

What im saying is pretty simple, it wasnt all bryzgalov and his critics made it out to be. Here we are half a season in and we're letting 4-5 goals a game in almost. No mason isnt all to blame as the team in front of him is terrible but much was the same with bryzgalov but nobody wanted to hear that. Why? Its pretty obvious that his personality had a lot to do with it but its a shame that people couldnt get past that.
- JoeRussomanno

Since Pronger's career ended, the Flyers goalies have posted the following save %:

2011-12 : Bryz .909, Bobrovsky .899
2012-13: Bryz .900, Mason .944, Boucher .891, Leighton .808
2013-14: Mason .915, Emery .898

It ain't all the (frank)ing goalies. Team defense has been abysmal.

Since Pronger's career ended, the Flyers goalies have posted the following save %:

2011-12 : Bryz .909, Bobrovsky .899
2012-13: Bryz .900, Mason .944, Boucher .891, Leighton .808
2013-14: Mason .915, Emery .898

It ain't all the (frank)ing goalies. Team defense has been abysmal.
- Jsaquella

today was also a good indication of the quality of shots vs the amount faced, most shots he faced were from quality areas or through a screen, vs the innocuous one's Rask faced

today was also a good indication of the quality of shots vs the amount faced, most shots he faced were from quality areas or through a screen, vs the innocuous one's Rask faced
- puckhead17

Yep. I really only blame Mason or Emery for one goal today, the second one, and even that one wasn't necessarily weak, Mason just didn't track the puck well coming through Grossmann's half-assed block attempt.

If I did that to my old goalie, he'd have whacked me with his goal stick.

Yep. I really only blame Mason or Emery for one goal today, the second one, and even that one wasn't necessarily weak, Mason just didn't track the puck well coming through Grossmann's half-assed block attempt.

If I did that to my old goalie, he'd have whacked me with his goal stick.
- Jsaquella

I didn't personally think a game could pi$$ me off more then the loss in Columbus & did have hope they would come out with a better effort & execution, but they are hitting rock bottom again.
Honestly, what will it take for something to happen?
If your Holmgren, do you get your new office ready soon?
If not, when?

I didn't personally think a game could pi$$ me off more then the loss in Columbus & did have hope they would come out with a better effort & execution, but they are hitting rock bottom again.
Honestly, what will it take for something to happen?
If your Holmgren, do you get your new office ready soon?
If not, when?
- puckhead17

I don't think Holmgren gets whacked until the season is over, and then only if they miss the playoffs.

I'm not excited by the prospect of Hextall coming in, either. I'm not sold he'll bring the change in philosophy needed.

I don't think Holmgren gets whacked until the season is over, and then only if they miss the playoffs.

I'm not excited by the prospect of Hextall coming in, either. I'm not sold he'll bring the change in philosophy needed.
- Jsaquella

Even if he wanted to bring in a change of mindset, he would somehow have to convince the aging Ed Snider to be comfortable with it.