do you wanna win a cup or you do wanna be that team that always choked
- 2Real

Please stop

Yup, and he apparently was worth 2 second round picks last year.
- BiggE

I guess to a banged up team that's still in the hunt

Whats so damn frustrating is that they are really only 2 skilled, mobile dmen away from being a very good team, yet its so damn hard to even get one.

oh really then why aren't teams lining up to over pay for coburn then?
- 2Real

Couburn sn't terrible = teams should line up and overpay? Interesting how your mind works.

Yup, and he apparently was worth 2 second round picks last year.
- BiggE

The entire team has been hit and or miss at times or all season, seems a waste of time to find one player to pick on.

Many of their failures are team wide.
- ob18

Agree completely. And has cob urn been great this year? No, but that doesn't mean he's terrible or useless. And I wouldn't even mind if they were able to trade him for the right return.

Whats so damn frustrating is that they are really only 2 skilled, mobile dmen away from being a very good team, yet its so damn hard to even get one.
- BiggE

funny a lot of other teams seem to have them

I guess to a banged up team that's still in the hunt
- puckhead17

Exactly

All it takes is one top 4 guy in San Jose, Anaheim, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, or Boston to go down and all of a sudden a guy like Timonen is getting you a late 1st and a mid round pick as well. Heck, if one of those teams were to lose one of their big bruisers, a guy like Grossmann would easily get them a 3rd as well.

Over the last couple years, some pretty mediocre dmen have been moved for 2nd rounders: Kubina, Murray, etc... It will happen again this year, it always does.

i do think that given his physical abilities, he should be better than he is though
- stayinthefnnet

I don't if he should be, but I think he could be. He's frustrating at times, no doubt there. I also think if we had the right composition of dmen, Not as many people would be calling for more from him.

Exactly

All it takes is one top 4 guy in San Jose, Anaheim, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, or Boston to go down and all of a sudden a guy like Timonen is getting you a late 1st and a mid round pick as well. Heck, if one of those teams were to lose one of their big bruisers, a guy like Grossmann would easily get them a 3rd as well.

Over the last couple years, some pretty mediocre dmen have been moved for 2nd rounders: Kubina, Murray, etc... It will happen again this year, it always does.
- BiggE

But Lately these teams have had the depth to make the difference which is even more scary when you look at out blue line, at one time the Pens had all top 4 guys out & were still winning.

Exactly

All it takes is one top 4 guy in San Jose, Anaheim, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, or Boston to go down and all of a sudden a guy like Timonen is getting you a late 1st and a mid round pick as well. Heck, if one of those teams were to lose one of their big bruisers, a guy like Grossmann would easily get them a 3rd as well.

Over the last couple years, some pretty mediocre dmen have been moved for 2nd rounders: Kubina, Murray, etc... It will happen again this year, it always does.
- BiggE

san jose could use a bruiser with experience

funny a lot of other teams seem to have them
- 2Real

True, but you don't see a lot of those guys traded unless you want to overpay big time. Guys like Weber, Yandle, Edler were draft picks, thats the way to build your D, but it takes a commitment to the draft and the patience to develop them. Hopefully they've finally started to realize that and in a few years guys like Alt, Ghost Morin and Hagg are making an impact.

I don't if he should be, but I think he could be. He's frustrating at times, no doubt there. I also think if we had the right composition of dmen, Not as many people would be calling for more from him.
- funmaster18

He's asked to do too much when we had a healthy Pronger Carle & a younger Kimmo, no one female doged about Coburn

Final

Erie - 5
Oshawa - 4

Laughton with 2 goals & an assist
- ob18

Great, keeps feeding homer more reasons to trade him knee jerk style. If they do move him before he gets a chance with the flyers, I hope it's worth it.

But Lately these teams have had the depth to make the difference which is even more scary when you look at out blue line, at one time the Pens had all top 4 guys out & were still winning.
- puckhead17

Very true, but I guarantee you if those guys were all out on March 1st and Shero wasn't sure that some would be back in time for the playoffs, they'd make a move.

san jose could use a bruiser with experience
- 2Real

Well then don't be surprised if the Flyers are out of it, that Grossmann or someone like him ends up in San Jose.

Very true, but I guarantee you if those guys were all out on March 1st and Shero wasn't sure that some would be back in time for the playoffs, they'd make a move.
- BiggE

your right, he would probably have to

Well then don't be surprised if the Flyers are out of it, that Grossmann or someone like him ends up in San Jose.
- BiggE

He'll land on Niemi's ankle in the crease & send him out injured

still though. a pretty damning lack of speed back there.
- stayinthefnnet

Sometimes, it's jarring to watch really fast teams -- Boston wasn't excessively fast, just fast enough.

But you start watching some of these other guys on other teams...their stops-and-starts, their turn-and-gos...it's jarring to watch, sometimes.

He'll land on Niemi's ankle in the crease & send him out injured
- puckhead17

Sometimes, it's jarring to watch really fast teams -- Boston wasn't excessively fast, just fast enough.

But you start watching some of these other guys on other teams...their stops-and-starts, their turn-and-gos...it's jarring to watch, sometimes.
- AllInForFlyers

True, I was watching Chicago/Colorado a few weeks ago and it was like the game was on fast forward.

Very true, but I guarantee you if those guys were all out on March 1st and Shero wasn't sure that some would be back in time for the playoffs, they'd make a move.
- BiggE

they need forward help. their bottom six is an absolute laughingstock. id want them to deal for matt read in the worst way

they need forward help. their bottom six is an absolute laughingstock. id want them to deal for matt read in the worst way
- stayinthefnnet

huh? 20 games over .500?

they need forward help. their bottom six is an absolute laughingstock. id want them to deal for matt read in the worst way
- stayinthefnnet

Even if the Flyers are going nowhere this year, I doubt they are looking to move Read. Unless he's part of a package to land a dman, but that type of deal would most likely happen in the offseason. Be happy to trade Downie to you though!

Whats so damn frustrating is that they are really only 2 skilled, mobile dmen away from being a very good team, yet its so damn hard to even get one.
- BiggE

Most painful part of watching the league right now; even average defenders who can skate, especially right-handers, are worth their weight in gold