coburn is not the dman we need right now we already have Grossman and Schenn who can do what he does
- 2Real

No, they can't. Neither can skate nearly as well as coburn. If they were to pair Grossmann or Schenn on a top pair with Timonen, they would be even worse off than they are now. Going into next year, Coburn is the only proven top 4 guy they have, to move him in any deal that isn't bringing back a top flight 1st pair guy would be foolish and would just open up another hole.

No, they can't. Neither can skate nearly as well as coburn. If they were to pair Grossmann or Schenn on a top pair with Timonen, they would be even worse off than they are now. Going into next year, Coburn is the only proven top 4 guy they have, to move him in any deal that isn't bringing back a top flight 1st pair guy would be foolish and would just open up another hole.
- BiggE

yeah. coburn isnt amazing, but he is definitely more of the solution than the problem. he is just miscast as a top pairing guy due to the guys around him.

coburn is not the dman we need right now we already have Grossman and Schenn who can do what he does
- 2Real

I would, without a doubt, take Coburn over both Grossmann and Schenn22

yeah. coburn isnt amazing, but he is definitely more of the solution than the problem. he is just miscast as a top pairing guy due to the guys around him.
- stayinthefnnet

Exactly

i think its the other way around for you guys. schenn is the one you dont need because he is what grossman/coburn are
- stayinthefnnet

keeping grossman and coburn would only be thinking about the now not the future

Exactly
- BiggE

realistically, should you move him, youd end up just chasing your tail to replace him. having both schenn and grossman is a problem to me. i understand top 10 Dmen dont just fall out of the sky, but i still think you guys need to at least attempt to diversify the skill sets back there. i could see you guys somehow finding cap room to throw some change niskanens way

Exactly
- BiggE

no no no...the simplistic view of him not being an elite shutdown defenseman while not putting up 30 points per season and having turnovers at a Carle rate means he's a useless scrub who's just another slow footed overpaid disaster.

keeping grossman and coburn would only be thinking about the now not the future
- 2Real

i may be a little biased because i really dont see luke schenn as that great. i guess you could make the argument that being younger bodes better for being part of the core going forward, but i dont think he ever tops out at what coburn is now. and coburn isnt exactly old yet

realistically, should you move him, youd end up just chasing your tail to replace him. having both schenn and grossman is a problem to me. i understand top 10 Dmen dont just fall out of the sky, but i still think you guys need to at least attempt to diversify the skill sets back there. i could see you guys somehow finding cap room to throw some change niskanens way
- stayinthefnnet

Niskanen is going to get VERY overpaid this off season just because he's a UFA top 4 dman. The flyers need to stop being bidders on players like him.

Now, if you'd like yo move simon despres.....

i may be a little biased because i really dont see luke schenn as that great. i guess you could make the argument that being younger bodes better for being part of the core going forward, but i dont think he ever tops out at what coburn is now. and coburn isnt exactly old yet
- stayinthefnnet

fine keep coburn get rid of grossman do something but keep schenn and put him no higher than 5/6 dman for a few more seasons and get someone to round of the top dpairs

Niskanen is going to get VERY overpaid this off season just because he's a UFA top 4 dman. The flyers need to stop being bidders on players like him.

Now, if you'd like yo move simon despres.....
- jmatchett383

so what? sign another bottom 4 dman to add to our stock pile?

I honestly wouldnt even consider moving Coburn unless a team blew us out of the water with an offer.

We need to rebuild the D and he would be our best piece to keep in place and build with.
- hereticpride

You pretty much should be open to moving anybody should the offer be one that's worth it.

so what? sign another bottom 4 dman to add to our stock pile?
- 2Real

I know that would make you happy so you can come on here and female dog after every loss yet disappear after a win. You're exactly the negative philly jackass bill mentioned embodied. All you do is lament how awful and mismanaged this team is
So please PLEASE go root for some other team who is better. Really, please find a way to made your sad angry self a bit happier.

And no, the flyers should be looking to develop young defenseman unless a top pair player becomes available at a price that won't cripple them further.

You pretty much should be open to moving anybody should the offer be one that's worth it.
- ob18

Unless it's Sidney Crosby, any player in the league can be moved for the right return.

To me Grossmann is the odd man out of the big 3 on D. Luke is going to improve. Coburn is flat out the best of the three at what big D men are supposed to do. Grossmann is what he is and his stock will start to fall the next few years as the wear and tear pile up. He should be a PK on a contending cup team at this point in his career. We're still a ways off from that. I wouldn't have an issue with them moving Grossmann for a pick, or ideally another 3rd pairing guy that at least has wheels.

There is no magic fix thats going to turn around the Flyers D overnight. Im willing to move ONE young forward as part of a deal that would land them a top 4 mobile dman 28 or younger, but that would still leave them 2 short of a real top 4. Signing an overpriced UFA when Streit is already on the books would be a foolish move IMO.

As I posted earlier today, I'd rather miss the playoffs this year and next as long as they can stick to a plan and build a real contender. Hopefully they can land both a top D prospect and a sniper in the next 2 drafts and by 16-17 they could be ready to be an impact team. What they need to avoid is making short sighted panic moves that might help them squeak into the playoffs this year but do more harm than good in the long run.

I know that would make you happy so you can come on here and female dog after every loss yet disappear after a win. You're exactly the negative philly jackass bill mentioned embodied. All you do is lament how awful and mismanaged this team is
So please PLEASE go root for some other team who is better. Really, please find a way to made your sad angry self a bit happier.

And no, the flyers should be looking to develop young defenseman unless a top pair player becomes available at a price that won't cripple them further.
- jmatchett383

yea and all you do is show up here when people talk about how they're disappointed with this team. at least we give a poop about this team because we are invested into it unlike some fairweather fans

coburn is not the dman we need right now we already have Grossman and Schenn who can do what he does
- 2Real

They really, really can't. Hence them have worse +/- despite getting easier minutes and less minutes.

One of Grossmann or LSchenn should not be here next season. They need more guys in the top 6 with mobility and/or good passing skills.

I know that would make you happy so you can come on here and female dog after every loss yet disappear after a win. You're exactly the negative philly jackass bill mentioned embodied. All you do is lament how awful and mismanaged this team is
So please PLEASE go root for some other team who is better. Really, please find a way to made your sad angry self a bit happier.

And no, the flyers should be looking to develop young defenseman unless a top pair player becomes available at a price that won't cripple them further.
- jmatchett383

maybe complaining about losses does make him happier. it could be worse like wishing harm on other people. talk about angry.....

Niskanen is going to get VERY overpaid this off season just because he's a UFA top 4 dman. The flyers need to stop being bidders on players like him.

Now, if you'd like yo move simon despres.....
- jmatchett383

he most certainly is. he has however really improved as a player. i dont think he is that true number one guy, but he will definitely be a great add talent wise. but yeah, hes going to crack 5 a year which is a lot.

ah, despres. i really think that kid can be special, but just for whatever reasons, and now lack of just available space, he hasnt been able to stick. have high hopes for him though, but if trading him in a deal for some forward help could be had id be intrigued by that route

Since probably about that 2004 year, and loss against Tampa, I have tried to watch as many games as I can manage. What I am getting at, is for the younger crew, those who do not have those glory days to look back on, we have increasingly seen a headless chicken routine from management, and that is where the frustration comes from.
- flyer_nutter

I hear ya, Nut.

Believe me, coming from a fan who remembers the glory days, as you call them, it's as frustrating, if not more so, for us. Those past teams set the bar pretty high for those to follow.

We remember the Shero years. The Pat Quinn teams. The Mike Keenan years. Terry Murray, Roger Nielson. We remember when the organization was solid from top to bottom. Now, did any of those teams take home the Cup after 1975? No, but they were carefully built with talented, character players who were well prepared, well coached, and came to play every night. And you sincerely felt they had a good chance to go to the Finals every year (and but for a few ill-timed injuries to key players, they just might have won it all a few more times).

Has that feeling been quite the same recently? Ehhh...

I hear ya, Nut.

Believe me, coming from a fan who remembers the glory days, as you call them, it's as frustrating, if not more so, for us. Those past teams set the bar pretty high for those to follow.

We remember the Shero years. The Pat Quinn teams. The Mike Keenan years. Terry Murray, Roger Nielson. We remember when the organization was solid from top to bottom. Now, did any of those teams take home the Cup after 1975? No, but they were carefully built with talented, character players who were well prepared, well coached, and came to play every night. And you sincerely felt they had a good chance to go to the Finals every year (and but for a few ill-timed injuries to key players, they just might have won it all a few more times).

Has that feeling been quite the same recently? Ehhh...
- 77rams

yup....way different feel to this team now and not in a good way

There is no magic fix thats going to turn around the Flyers D overnight. Im willing to move ONE young forward as part of a deal that would land them a top 4 mobile dman 28 or younger, but that would still leave them 2 short of a real top 4. Signing an overpriced UFA when Streit is already on the books would be a foolish move IMO.

As I posted earlier today, I'd rather miss the playoffs this year and next as long as they can stick to a plan and build a real contender. Hopefully they can land both a top D prospect and a sniper in the next 2 drafts and by 16-17 they could be ready to be an impact team. What they need to avoid is making short sighted panic moves that might help them squeak into the playoffs this year but do more harm than good in the long run.
- BiggE

yeah. i still think thats the best route. you have young forward depth. id move one in a package if the deal was right. no it doesnt fill all the holes, but it certainly is a start. cant have a wall without that first brick. and then that makes coburn able to slide down as well.

What they need to avoid is making short sighted panic moves that might help them squeak into the playoffs this year but do more harm than good in the long run.
- BiggE

and winning meaningless games once they have been eliminated lowering their draft spot...

and winning meaningless games once they have been eliminated lowering their draft spot...
- opeth_pa

cue the pittsburgh tanking jokes im sure, but i still think once your team no longer tries to at least win, that creates a festering and blackening mentality for the mindset of the team, especially young players. thats a bad culture to cultivate. should you pick 10th instead of 7th, then so be it.