okay fair enough. but if orpik was 6 5 and skated really fast, i wouldnt expect 40 to 50 points out of him because like you said, that isnt his game. but given those physical tools, i would expect him to be absolutely incredible at what his game is. no coburn isnt going suddenly morph into bobby orr, but a lot of times he does tend to play smaller than what you think his frame would allow him to. he isnt fragile by any means, but he doesnt really have much mauler in him.
- stayinthefnnet

My other post explains that

way too much is expected of him

I hated those signings then & hate them just the same now
- puckhead17

what was your beef with the vinny signing when it was announced?

He's freaking 6 5 and he plays like he's 5 11
- 2Real

Zac Rinaldo is 5'11 and plays like he is 6'5


Thank you. I can't take anyone who defends Coburn seriously. What gets me is that Timonen is usually paired with Coburn is a plus 4 while Braydon is a minus 6. That that alones tells the story. Timonen would be a double digit plus player being paired with a competant defenseman.

what was your beef with the vinny signing when it was announced?
- 2Real

33 years old, 16 years on his body, (4 more years expected?) missed a chunk of time each of the last 4 seasons

problem is he's expected to shoulder the load because of the dearth of solid D men on the team, that & Kimmo turning 40 doesn't help
- puckhead17

true, and that is unfair to him. to continue on with my baseball motif, the fact that the number three starter is constantly paired against aces and cant consistently hang doesnt mean he is worthless. he is just being forced to play over his head due to the roster makeup. its a mistake to think that coburn is a legitimate stud number one defender in the NHL on a contending team. it is also a mistake to think that due to that fact he is therefore garbage.

Zac Rinaldo is 5'11 and plays like he is 6'5


Thank you. I can't take anyone who defends Coburn seriously. What gets me is that Timonen is usually paired with Coburn is a plus 4 while Braydon is a minus 6. That that alones tells the story. Timonen would be a double digit plus player being paired with a competant defenseman.
- Daveflyers36

Not sure what games your watching, or if your TV is even on

true, and that is unfair to him. to continue on with my baseball motif, the fact that the number three starter is constantly paired against aces and cant consistently hang doesnt mean he is worthless. he is just being forced to play over his head due to the roster makeup. its a mistake to think that coburn is a legitimate stud number one defender in the NHL on a contending team. it is also a mistake to think that due to that fact he is therefore garbage.
- stayinthefnnet

give us 2 solid D men (2 way D men) & he isn't even female doged about

oh wait the only year Pronger played here plus a younger Kimmo & Carle, & there was no Coburn female doging at all.

thats the point

in fact then, it was Carle who was female doged about here

give us 2 solid D men (2 way D men) & he isn't even female doged about

oh wait the only year Pronger played here plus a younger Kimmo & Carle, & there was no Coburn female doging at all.

thats the point

in fact then, it was Carle who was female doged about here
- puckhead17

yeah exactly. i mean im sure someone always has to be female doged about. thats just the nature of being fans. Carle was okay too in a limited role.

33 years old, 16 years on his body, (4 more years expected?) missed a chunk of time each of the last 4 seasons
- puckhead17

He was an upgrade to Briere and cheaper. We needed another vet on our team to help with the offense. What if he comes back next season and puts up 30 goals? Will you be fine then?

Not sure what games your watching, or if your TV is even on
- puckhead17

The games where Coburn make a great cross ice pass to the other team that ends up in our net. Or Coburn who is the in the corner and gets out muscled by a guy a half a foot shorter than him. Or Coburn who is standing in front of the net and makes a beautiful deflection passed our own goalie. That is what games I am watching.

give us 2 solid D men (2 way D men) & he isn't even female doged about

oh wait the only year Pronger played here plus a younger Kimmo & Carle, & there was no Coburn female doging at all.

thats the point

in fact then, it was Carle who was female doged about here
- puckhead17

those guys are just pretty damn hard to acquire

give us 2 solid D men (2 way D men) & he isn't even female doged about

oh wait the only year Pronger played here plus a younger Kimmo & Carle, & there was no Coburn female doging at all.

thats the point

in fact then, it was Carle who was female doged about here
- puckhead17

I liked Carle but not necessarily at the contract he got

He was an upgrade to Briere and cheaper. We needed another vet on our team to help with the offense. What if he comes back next season and puts up 30 goals? Will you be fine then?
- 2Real

Please, they traded 2 cornerstone centers & wanted to groom 2 kids into the 2nd & 3rd lines & became stupid & impatient when Vinny became available

Holmgren needs a pen with no ink on June 1st

I liked Carle but not necessarily at the contract he got
- 2Real

me neither but I will pay him that over anything to Streit

those guys are just pretty damn hard to acquire
- stayinthefnnet

thats why we are a middle of the pack team & have the Islanders old one dimensional captain for 4 years

me neither but I will pay him that over anything to Streit
- puckhead17

I wouldn't have paid either one the money they are getting but Streit can put the puck in the net, Carle couldn't hit the water falling out of a boat.

I wouldn't have paid either one the money they are getting but Streit can put the puck in the net, Carle couldn't hit the water falling out of a boat.
- Daveflyers36

and Carle's shot couldn't break tissue but at least he could pass it

The games where Coburn make a great cross ice pass to the other team that ends up in our net. Or Coburn who is the in the corner and gets out muscled by a guy a half a foot shorter than him. Or Coburn who is standing in front of the net and makes a beautiful deflection passed our own goalie. That is what games I am watching.
- Daveflyers36

1 yeah it happens i watch a lot of other teams games, no one is perfect
2 he can always smash the guy into the ice like Grossberger & go off for 4 minutes
3 yesterday was the 1st one & he didn't even see it coming, Schenn & the other caveman have done this a few times each

We see flashes of what he could be when he gets a burr in his jock and plays with an edge - 'Mean' Coburn.

Those instances are very rare this season.
- tangent_man

I agree, but I've come to grips with the occasional "mean" Braydon. It's just not in his DNA to run people through the boards night in and night out, and that's fine.

Only, I'd be glad to see a more consistent, puck moving, shut down Coburn. Earlier on, I was hoping he develop into more of a Larry Robinson-type. Oh well.

I wouldn't have paid either one the money they are getting but Streit can put the puck in the net, Carle couldn't hit the water falling out of a boat.
- Daveflyers36

But Carle was a UFA & there was no one here to take his place, no, he wasn't worth the $$$, but thats what happens when you don't have a replacement

and Carle's shot couldn't break tissue but at least he could pass it
- 2Real

only because its 2 ply double strength

Final

Erie - 5
Oshawa - 4

Laughton with 2 goals & an assist

But Carle was a UFA & there was no one here to take his place, no, he wasn't worth the $$$, but thats what happens when you don't have a replacement
- puckhead17

That's what happens when you draft poorly.

That's what happens when you draft poorly.
- 77rams

no just all centers

1 yeah it happens i watch a lot of other teams games, no one is perfect
2 he can always smash the guy into the ice like Grossberger & go off for 4 minutes
3 yesterday was the 1st one & he didn't even see it coming, Schenn & the other caveman have done this a few times each
- puckhead17

Keep defending Coburn. That is why NO REAL TEAM is trying to trade for him.