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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:27 AM ET
How many rental players have been traded for another team's top prospect (who is also NHL tested)?
- rival22


Again I ask, when was the last time the big rental fish landed a team a Cup in the same year? Last I can think of is Recchi in 2005 (again, Guerin was the consolation prize to Jokinen in 2009).

And the Penguins should be making Maata as untouchable as anyone outside of Crosby and Malkin.
twistedwrister9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Zach Bogosian as Hitman: Agent 47, NY
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:28 AM ET
It would take more on the Buffalo side for just Maatta.
- cap1681


Just from a Sabres fan's perspective. ..I don't believe the Sabres would be looking defense anyway. We're kinda stacked there with Myers, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Mcnabb and to a lesser extent Ruhwedel. Also have University of Wisconsin D prospect Jake McCabe who garnering all kinds of praise coming. The teams needs players who can score. We're seriously lacking in that area up front.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:28 AM ET
More then Ott and Moulson for Maetta?

I see you haven't followed what guys bring at the deadline

- Bieksa#3


2 rentals for a 19 year old stud who is already NHL proven and a team has control for the next 6 years? A prospect i get, but Maatta isn't a prospect anymore.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:29 AM ET
Matt M would be a 30 - 40 goal score on a line with Sid. Do the pens have any good forward prospects they could send along with a 1st rounder?
- Cpilc


fixed.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jan 27 @ 10:30 AM ET
Why would we acquire Moulson if he is slotting in on Geno's line? Still leaves a huge hole on Sid's wing. I'm a huge Bennett guy but he hasn't really proved anything. This late in the season if we are bringing in that top 6 winger it sure as poop better be for Sid.
- dbell646


That's my issue with Moulson... he doesn't fit with Malkin & Neal. That line would rely solely on Malkin carrying the puck. With Bennett or Jokinen there, it gives them someone else who can make plays.

Moulson would have to fit on Sid's line... His success with Tavares is promising, but he's gotta be able to work on the right side on Sid's line. Not sure how much he's played on his off wing.
nfph
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Schadenfreude, NY
Joined: 09.22.2006

Jan 27 @ 10:30 AM ET
How many rental players have been traded for another team's top prospect (who is also NHL tested)?
- rival22

Buffalo's needs don't currently include prospect defensemen.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:30 AM ET
Just from a Sabres fan's perspective. ..I don't believe the Sabres would be looking defense anyway. We're kinda stacked there with Myers, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Mcnabb and to a lesser extent Ruhwedel. Also have University of Wisconsin D stud Jake McCabe coming. The teams needs players who can score. We're seriously lacking in that area up front.
- twistedwrister9


Completely agree, although if Shero made Maatta available (which isn't happening), i think 29 teams would be offering up a package for him. The kid is something special.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:30 AM ET
Ott. He can play both center and wing. He can be used on the PK and he helps in the bottom six which is a gigantic crater right now.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:30 AM ET
Just from a Sabres fan's perspective. ..I don't believe the Sabres would be looking defense anyway. We're kinda stacked there with Myers, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Mcnabb and to a lesser extent Ruhwedel. Also have University of Wisconsin D stud Jake McCabe coming. The teams needs players who can score. We're seriously lacking in that area up front.
- twistedwrister9


As a Flyers fan, I can assure you that you can NEVER have enough talented young defensemen. We have none and a glut of offensive talent. But when your team can't get the puck or transition, the offense is for naught. A good defense leads to a good offense.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jan 27 @ 10:31 AM ET
Buffalo's needs don't currently include prospect defensemen.
- nfph


And we have no forward prospects, so it sounds like a great fit
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Jan 27 @ 10:32 AM ET
That's my issue with Moulson... he doesn't fit with Malkin & Neal. That line would rely solely on Malkin carrying the puck. With Bennett or Jokinen there, it gives them someone else who can make plays.

Moulson would have to fit on Sid's line... His success with Tavares is promising, but he's gotta be able to work on the right side on Sid's line. Not sure how much he's played on his off wing.

- rival22

Aren't Kunitz and Moulson filling the same role on that line? Both like to get to the net. I'm not saying it wouldn't work just skeptical is all. And I agree with you I think 36 is fitting in well on Geno's line no need to break that up.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:32 AM ET
Buffalo's needs don't currently include prospect defensemen.
- nfph


He isn't a prospect anymore. He is a 19 y/o NHL caliber defenseman.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:32 AM ET
As a Flyers fan, I can assure you that you can NEVER have enough talented young defensemen. We have none and a glut of offensive talent. But when your team can't get the puck or transition, the offense is for naught. A good defense leads to a good offense.
- jmatchett383


Cool let's trade
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:33 AM ET
He isn't a prospect anymore. He is a 19 y/o NHL caliber defenseman.
- cap1681


forwards.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jan 27 @ 10:33 AM ET
Ott. He can play both center and wing. He can be used on the PK and he helps in the bottom six which is a gigantic crater right now.
- Ben37


Trade for McGinn and you can have Sutter Ott and McGinn as your third line
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:33 AM ET
Cool let's trade
- TheSabresTaco


I'd love to. What's your realistic asking price for Ristolainen? If you say Claude Giroux, I'm flogging you.
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 27 @ 10:33 AM ET
Just from a Sabres fan's perspective. ..I don't believe the Sabres would be looking defense anyway. We're kinda stacked there with Myers, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk, Mcnabb and to a lesser extent Ruhwedel. Also have University of Wisconsin D prospect Jake McCabe who garnering all kinds of praise coming. The teams needs players who can score. We're seriously lacking in that area up front.
- twistedwrister9

For the non pens fans lets just make it simple maata is not being moved... Possibly niskenen or letang because despres can fill the role, but it would not be for ott or Moulson ... If letang gets moved its for a Kane or eberle type ( prob not happening)
Poulliot and Harrington are not being moved for a rental plain and simple.
If the pens acquire ott or Moulson it will be for a 1st and a low level prospect
twistedwrister9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Zach Bogosian as Hitman: Agent 47, NY
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:34 AM ET
Completely agree, although if Shero made Maatta available (which isn't happening), i think 29 teams would be offering up a package for him. The kid is something special.
- cap1681


Agreed. .. was gonna say having said all of that if he were available you'd be crazy not to make the move but they aren't trading him. I'm guessing Letang would be moved well before that happens.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 10:35 AM ET
For the non pens fans lets just make it simple maata is not being moved... Possibly niskenen or letang because despres can fill the role, but it would not be for ott or Moulson ... If letang gets moved its for a Kane or eberle type ( prob not happening)
Poulliot and Harrington are not being moved for a rental plain and simple.
If the pens acquire ott or Moulson it will be for a 1st and a low level prospect

- Brianandr1


I actually think Despres may be moved. If Letang's moved, it's probably Pouliot who they see filling his shoes in the years to come. For some reason, they REALLY don't wanna give Despres a shot.
nfph
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Schadenfreude, NY
Joined: 09.22.2006

Jan 27 @ 10:36 AM ET
He isn't a prospect anymore. He is a 19 y/o NHL caliber defenseman.
- cap1681

Saying something doesn't make it true. He's 19 with 51 total NHL games under his belt. It's nice that he's stuck on the team and he seems mature for his age, but you're either kidding yourself or trying to fool me by saying he's not a prospect.
nfph
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Schadenfreude, NY
Joined: 09.22.2006

Jan 27 @ 10:37 AM ET
And we have no forward prospects, so it sounds like a great fit
- rival22

rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jan 27 @ 10:39 AM ET
Aren't Kunitz and Moulson filling the same role on that line? Both like to get to the net. I'm not saying it wouldn't work just skeptical is all. And I agree with you I think 36 is fitting in well on Geno's line no need to break that up.
- dbell646


Sort of... that's what I'm skeptical of as well. Moulson has the reputation of being a great goal scorer, but Kunitz has outscored him by a decent margin in the last 3 or 4 years (on average).

I'd rather hope Bennett can fit and stay healthy on Sid's wing and bring in Ott to solidify the bottom 6.
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 27 @ 10:43 AM ET
Saying something doesn't make it true. He's 19 with 51 total NHL games under his belt. It's nice that he's stuck on the team and he seems mature for his age, but you're either kidding yourself or trying to fool me by saying he's not a prospect.
- nfph

Maata is not a prospect! He s playing top four minutes the whole season. ... And honestly I would not trade him straight up for any of buffalo's d prospects at this point ( that includes Myers, obviously not a prospect)
It would be a mistake to trade despres at this point, his value is at an alltime low... The pens have a glut of quality dmen and have prospects they like more, but the Bottomline is the kid can play and has great upside potential
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 27 @ 10:45 AM ET
How many rental players have been traded for another team's top prospect (who is also NHL tested)?
- rival22


You'd have to imagine Maatta is untouchable at this point.

I keep remembering the interview with Shero where he said he's basically done with trading prospects for rentals. I'm sure he'd part ways with lesser prospects or picks however.

TIOPS has reported names like Goc, Boyes and Garbutt. Garbutt was impressive the other night. He was all over the ice. Cheap contract too.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 27 @ 10:48 AM ET
Trade for McGinn and you can have Sutter Ott and McGinn as your third line
- DDM-Coga


It's been reported the Pens have been scouting the Avs.
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