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nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:27 AM ET
I can't believe it's so one sided on the vote... Ott brings a lot more to the table
canada_dry
Joined: 09.22.2013

Jan 27 @ 11:27 AM ET
What would it take to pry Letang away?

Since Pitt needs players from lines 2-4 up front I'd offer...

Michalek (2nd line), Neil (4th line), Prince (B level prospect), 2015 1st

Sens retain half of Michalek's salary

- riceroni


Rawrski8771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 12.23.2013

Jan 27 @ 11:28 AM ET
What would it take to pry Letang away?

Since Pitt needs players from lines 2-4 up front I'd offer...

Michalek (2nd line), Neil (4th line), Prince (B level prospect), 2015 1st

Sens retain half of Michalek's salary

- riceroni



I would be sold on this. Can't speak for others.
ScienceJesus
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jan 27 @ 11:29 AM ET
This is a joke right? He is not being traded is a pretty definitive statement. Who is your inside source to make such a claim?

So the great Wayne Gretzky can be traded twice, but the 19 year old Maatta (who apparently is the second coming of Christ) with 51 games under his belt cannot be traded. No way, no how.

Overvalue players much? Homer.


- bjm1717


This is a ridiculous comparison. Gretzky got traded twice because his teams couldn't afford his contract anymore. Maata is a rookie on a cheap contract. If this was even a moderately similar comparison, you'd be using the names Crosby or Malkin. Maata isn't being traded because he's got cost-certainty for the next half dozen years and is quickly developing into a everyday top-4 defenseman with a crazy-high upside.
PensFan1103
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:30 AM ET
This is a joke right? He is not being traded is a pretty definitive statement. Who is your inside source to make such a claim?

So the great Wayne Gretzky can be traded twice, but the 19 year old Maatta (who apparently is the second coming of Christ) with 51 games under his belt cannot be traded. No way, no how.

Overvalue players much? Homer.


- bjm1717

Thank you for your pointless comment. Now move along.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:33 AM ET
This is a joke right? He is not being traded is a pretty definitive statement. Who is your inside source to make such a claim?

So the great Wayne Gretzky can be traded twice, but the 19 year old Maatta (who apparently is the second coming of Christ) with 51 games under his belt cannot be traded. No way, no how.

Overvalue players much? Homer.


- bjm1717


Wow. What an ignorant point of view on the matter.

Look past the surface much? No, didn't think so.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:33 AM ET
I wonder where Gardiner would be playing with the likes of Sid, Geno, Neal and Co. for that same time span..
- canada_dry


The fact that at 19 Maatta could crack the team who already had 7 non-waiver eligible defensemen under contract and Gardiner was in the AHL 5 years after his draft year says a little bit, no?
PensFan1103
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:34 AM ET
This is a ridiculous comparison. Gretzky got traded twice because his teams couldn't afford his contract anymore. Maata is a rookie on a cheap contract. If this was even a moderately similar comparison, you'd be using the names Crosby or Malkin. Maata isn't being traded because he's got cost-certainty for the next half dozen years and is quickly developing into a everyday top-4 defenseman with a crazy-high upside.
- ScienceJesus

Not too mention that Gretzky wanted to be traded both times. He had a hand in both trades. It doesn't matter who the player is if that player wants traded, they will get traded. Anyone who has seen what Maatta can do at only 19 years old in his first year in the NHL and knowing that he has that cost-certainty, it would have to be the most ridiculous over-payment to have to try and pry him from the Penguins.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:35 AM ET
What would it take to pry Letang away?

Since Pitt needs players from lines 2-4 up front I'd offer...

Michalek (2nd line), Neil (4th line), Prince (B level prospect), 2015 1st

Sens retain half of Michalek's salary

- riceroni


I'd pass on that... Michalek is an under performing rental, Neil would be one of like 5 4th liners we have, and the prospect and pick aren't that great (assuming Ottawa is better next season).

It seems like one of those trade proposals that are more quantity than quality.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:35 AM ET
The fact that at 19 Maatta could crack the team who already had 7 non-waiver eligible defensemen under contract and Gardiner was in the AHL 5 years after his draft year says a little bit, no?
- rival22


Agreed. But come on, we all know that Lidstrom was AT BEST a #3 defenseman who only looked good because he played on stacked Detroit teams.
Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jan 27 @ 11:36 AM ET
What would it take to pry Letang away?

Since Pitt needs players from lines 2-4 up front I'd offer...

Michalek (2nd line), Neil (4th line), Prince (B level prospect), 2015 1st

Sens retain half of Michalek's salary

- riceroni


Not even in the ballpark.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:36 AM ET
Not too mention that Gretzky wanted to be traded both times. He had a hand in both trades. It doesn't matter who the player is if that player wants traded, they will get traded. Anyone who has seen what Maatta can do at only 19 years old in his first year in the NHL and knowing that he has that cost-certainty, it would have to be the most ridiculous over-payment to have to try and pry him from the Penguins.
- PensFan1103


Okay. Luke Schenn and a 2nd for Maata. Do we have a deal?

/end sarcasm.
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 27 @ 11:37 AM ET
This is a joke right? He is not being traded is a pretty definitive statement. Who is your inside source to make such a claim?

So the great Wayne Gretzky can be traded twice, but the 19 year old Maatta (who apparently is the second coming of Christ) with 51 games under his belt cannot be traded. No way, no how.

Overvalue players much? Homer.


- bjm1717

Here we go with gretz!! Lol... Ok let's speak straight if the guy coming back is named lucic, Kane et... Sure ... That's not happening, he s a rookie playing top 4 minutes in the NHL ... He's not a prospect, and de facto he s not being traded so can we stop the Gretzky nonsense
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:37 AM ET
This is a joke right? He is not being traded is a pretty definitive statement. Who is your inside source to make such a claim?

So the great Wayne Gretzky can be traded twice, but the 19 year old Maatta (who apparently is the second coming of Christ) with 51 games under his belt cannot be traded. No way, no how.

Overvalue players much? Homer.


- bjm1717


Not overvaluing, just giving you the response in the context of the situation, which is he isn't moving, at least not anytime in the next few years. Obviously, no one is untradable, but your rather ridiculous example completely ignores the context of the situation, which is the Pens believe they have an emerging star in Maata who is under their long term control on an ELC. The return would have to be staggering at this point, and it certainly isn't going to be for a rental. In other words, MAATA IS NOT GOING TO BE TRADED.
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Jan 27 @ 11:38 AM ET
I'd pass on that... Michalek is an under performing rental, Neil would be one of like 5 4th liners we have, and the prospect and pick aren't that great (assuming Ottawa is better next season).

It seems like one of those trade proposals that are more quantity than quality.

- rival22

Ya I wholeheartedly agree... But, at the moment Pitt is suffering from injuries badly and if they want to take a long run they will need depth. Sure it's not the best offer but it's something that helps you now. Michalek needs a change of scenery. I think with a top C like Malkin he'd take off. He's got the wheels to skate with a fast C.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:39 AM ET
Not even in the ballpark.
- Ryan_Wilson


Not that I think trading Maata should even be an option, but what about an Ottawa offer of:

Erik Gryba
J-G Pageau
Mika Zibanejad
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:40 AM ET
Olli Maata = Jake Gardiner
- canada_dry


Except that Maatta is better, hasn't bounced back and forth between he NHL and AHL and had his agent tweet #FreeMaatta
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Jan 27 @ 11:40 AM ET
Not that I think trading Maata should even be an option, but what about an Ottawa offer of:

Erik Gryba
J-G Pageau
Mika Zibanejad

- jmatchett383

All that for Maata? I don't think so...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:41 AM ET
All that for Maata? I don't think so...
- riceroni


Well it would take an overpayment to get him. Pittsburgh is under zero pressure to trade him (again, unlike Gretzky), so the only way to get him is to overpay. Heck, were I Pittsburgh, I'd even be hesitant for that deal. I think Buffalo would have the best shot at him with a Ristolainen/Grigo/pick deal.
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Jan 27 @ 11:42 AM ET
Well it would take an overpayment to get him. Pittsburgh is under zero pressure to trade him (again, unlike Gretzky), so the only way to get him is to overpay.
- jmatchett383

I wasn't trying to trade for Maata anyway... I was going for Letang...
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Jan 27 @ 11:44 AM ET
I'd love to. What's your realistic asking price for Ristolainen? If you say Claude Giroux, I'm flogging you.
- jmatchett383


Buffalo is pretty high on the kid, I get the feeling he would cost you Laughton and a high pick minimum.
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:44 AM ET
As for the Ott vs Moulson debate, I think its fair to ask, what would the return need to be? I'm not actually of the opinion that we would see either, since Shero has made it clear he'd looking for a return of a player under contract that the Pens can control.
Brianandr1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 12.28.2013

Jan 27 @ 11:45 AM ET
I wasn't trying to trade for Maata anyway... I was going for Letang...
- riceroni

I think the pens would listen on letang for the right top 6 forward + picks/ prospects ( depending of course on who's coming back)
canada_dry
Joined: 09.22.2013

Jan 27 @ 11:46 AM ET
The fact that at 19 Maatta could crack the team who already had 7 non-waiver eligible defensemen under contract and Gardiner was in the AHL 5 years after his draft year says a little bit, no?
- rival22


Opportunities do present themselves when your top 4 D are all out for at least a week or two..
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Jan 27 @ 11:46 AM ET
Not that I think trading Maata should even be an option, but what about an Ottawa offer of:

Erik Gryba
J-G Pageau
Mika Zibanejad

- jmatchett383


Take it and run. Zibanejad is worth it. I can't see Murray offering Zibanejad straight up for Maataa though.
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