not to mention some teams will be in 5 or 6 of them while half the league hasn't gotten a sniff. venues and excitement will be gone in a couple years.

Arizona coyotes??? when the frank did that happen, I didn't even know they were trying to change the name
- dillpx183

phoenix wasn't that appealing?

speak for yourself i'm in midwar with scoooob
- -davies-

Update me as I don't feel like back reading.

On television:

outdoor games at night >>> outdoor games during the day

phoenix wasn't that appealing?
- 2Real

Now they can guilt the whole state for money!

evening all!

evening all!
- stayinthefnnet

...And good night!

...And good night!
- Pixote Andolini

Yea Obama is now taxing living through the ACA
If you want to live, I'll tax your each breath.
- 2Real

Are you really that blindly partisan, or just bored?

The outdoor games are definitely losing their appeal. And there's just no way in hell I'd have shelled out the cash to sit in the (quite literally) freezing cold while being so far away from the rink you'd be lucky to be able to see the puck.

If I have to watch the jumbotron to see the game, why am I not at home watching it on TV instead, because I like paying for parking, over-priced beer and waiting in line to piss?

Blisting indictment of Grossmann, citing really interesting/novel zone-exit stats (clearing attemps, zone-exits leading to retained possessions) that I've never seen before... all tied up in a bow for Jsaq.




Confirmed what a lot of us have suspected for awhile now... reason he has so many hits and blocked shots is because he's terrible at getting the puck out of the zone, leading to the team being hemmed in, playing without the puck for extended stretches.
- Tomahawk

BSH, Ha! This is the same outfit that used fancy stats "prove" that we already had our Ryan Suter in Matt Carle.

http://www.broadstreethoc...uter-nhl-free-agency-2012


While I'm one of those Grossmann fans mentioned in that blog,who admits he's been having a rough January, I think that piece is a bit over the top with generalizing some (suspect) advanced stats in order to make such a strong indictment of the player. A lot of those numbers can be influenced by other players and factors, such as when the forwards don't support to give good options for moving the puck out...

Grossmann isn't a puck moving defenseman by trade...he can do basic puck moving but the core of his game is to be physical down low and along the boards, maybe around the net...I've personally seen many times when he does his job, of standing a player up against the boards or forcing him off the puck, and there's little to no support, only the more opposing players to get the puck again...or, when he is able to get possession and there are opposing players between him and the forwards (due to lack of proper support) and he's left with poor options to move the puck (resulting in icings and the other zone exits without possession) ...I'd bet that, in those instances where the support is there, his zone exit stats are significantly higher...

Also, I have my doubts about the data...for example, with the zone exit data, they say

"Only 31.1 percent of Grossmann's zone exit attempts leave the defensive end successfully and also see the Flyers retain possession of the puck past the blue line."

As I said Grossmann's not a puck mover by trade, so he typically passes to his D partner or a forward if one is actually supporting nearby. Are the stats tracking those passes? Are they then blaming him for another player's turnover or loss of possession? Are they only talking about the times Grossmann actually has to try and get it out himself? If so, it's likely because other options aren't available (lack of support), and it's probably not the ideal situation for a Defensive D man to be in... he has to try and just get it out of the zone any way he can, obviously you're not going to keep possession in most of those instances...I don't think the author considered these finer points...at least he admitted the part about different players "efficiency" rating being lower when out with Grossmann possibly being due to the fact that Berube deploys Grossmann in defensive situations.

The bottom line to me is I have seen the guy play and know he's not the cause of the team's defensive woes, his January swoon notwithstanding. If you want to say they're having to use him too much or shouldn't use him in certain ways and/or he's not put with an ideal partner, I would be more apt to agree, but to basically say they guy is dragging the whole team down...nope...not going to buy that one...just like I didn't buy the BSH article that tried to tell us that the Flyers already had Ryan Suter in Matt Carle.

BSH, Ha! This is the same outfit that used fancy stats "prove" that we already had our Ryan Suter in Matt Carle.

http://www.broadstreethoc...uter-nhl-free-agency-2012


While I'm one of those Grossmann fans mentioned in that blog,who admits he's been having a rough January, I think that piece is a bit over the top with generalizing some (suspect) advanced stats in order to make such a strong indictment of the player. A lot of those numbers can be influenced by other players and factors, such as when the forwards don't support to give good options for moving the puck out...

Grossmann isn't a puck moving defenseman by trade...he can do basic puck moving but the core of his game is to be physical down low and along the boards, maybe around the net...I've personally seen many times when he does his job, of standing a player up against the boards or forcing him off the puck, and there's little to no support, only the more opposing players to get the puck again...or, when he is able to get possession and there are opposing players between him and the forwards (due to lack of proper support) and he's left with poor options to move the puck (resulting in icings and the other zone exits without possession) ...I'd bet that, in those instances where the support is there, his zone exit stats are significantly higher...

Also, I have my doubts about the data...for example, with the zone exit data, they say

"Only 31.1 percent of Grossmann's zone exit attempts leave the defensive end successfully and also see the Flyers retain possession of the puck past the blue line."

As I said Grossmann's not a puck mover by trade, so he typically passes to his D partner or a forward if one is actually supporting nearby. Are the stats tracking those passes? Are they then blaming him for another player's turnover or loss of possession? Are they only talking about the times Grossmann actually has to try and get it out himself? If so, it's likely because other options aren't available (lack of support), and it's probably not the ideal situation for a Defensive D man to be in... he has to try and just get it out of the zone any way he can, obviously you're not going to keep possession in most of those instances...I don't think the author considered these finer points...at least he admitted the part about different players "efficiency" rating being lower when out with Grossmann possibly being due to the fact that Berube deploys Grossmann in defensive situations.

The bottom line to me is I have seen the guy play and know he's not the cause of the team's defensive woes, his January swoon notwithstanding. If you want to say they're having to use him too much or shouldn't use him in certain ways and/or he's not put with an ideal partner, I would be more apt to agree, but to basically say they guy is dragging the whole team down...nope...not going to buy that one...just like I didn't buy the BSH article that tried to tell us that the Flyers already had Ryan Suter in Matt Carle.
- exlund

You Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar

You Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar
- Just5

I just found some more guys that aren't buyin' what BSH is sellin...some good refutations in here (amongst the garbage)

http://www.reddit.com/r/F...blem_broad_street_hockey/

Anyone here?

Anyone here?
- Giroux_Is_God

Not many of us checking in late

Not many of us checking in late
- Hokeeguy9

My man I got a question for ya.

My man I got a question for ya.
- Giroux_Is_God

Go ahead

I have a voucher for phantoms fix, where it says "offer ends 1/31"

Now, I know I have to go to the actual box office the WFC to cash in the voucher, but can I do it some time on the 31st or does it have to happen tomorrow, the 30th?

Also there'll be someone at the box office during the afternoon right? Game or not...?

I have a voucher for phantoms fix, where it says "offer ends 1/31"

Now, I know I have to go to the actual box office the WFC to cash in the voucher, but can I do it some time on the 31st or does it have to happen tomorrow, the 30th?

Also there'll be someone at the box office during the afternoon right? Game or not...?
- Giroux_Is_God

I believe you can go on the 31st as well, and also that there are people there during the normal workday hours. I would call them in the AM just to be sure though.

I believe you can go on the 31st as well, and also that there are people there during the normal workday hours. I would call them in the AM just to be sure though.
- Hokeeguy9

Exactly what I was thinking. Awesome thanks

Exactly what I was thinking. Awesome thanks
- Giroux_Is_God

I have picked up tix left for me at the box office during the week and there was someone there. However, that was a few years ago. I still think you'll be good to go, though

Exactly what I was thinking. Awesome thanks
- Giroux_Is_God

Without going overboard, do you think they can make a run this year as they did a few years back while getting to the finals against the Hawks, or do you think they can't win consistently enough?

Without going overboard, do you think they can make a run this year as they did a few years back while getting to the finals against the Hawks, or do you think they can't win consistently enough?
- Hokeeguy9

Blog is done for the night, I guess.

Blog is done for the night, I guess.
- Hokeeguy9

http://bit.ly/1fdQHSQ