They needed a Power forward type who was physical and could score.
- MJL

We'll see what happens with him. Power forwards usually need to find that perfect line then they become very effective. You can see that with Hartnell and Simmonds.

Read, Laughton and a first
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah im not giving up that much, thanks but no thanks.

you know who is going to have to come with read to make it worthwhile, and im sure thats a deal breaker for you.
- stayinthefnnet

I may consider a Letang for Couts straight up. I just love Couturier. I think he can win the Selke. Those types of players win playoff games.

Read, Laughton and a first
- PhillySportsGuy

love read. thats obvious by now. but he isnt the game changing center piece. Laughton, i do like, but he doesnt exactly project to fill a spot of need for the pens. and a first is never anything to sneeze at, but i would be hoping for something with more immediate dividends.

Yeah im not giving up that much, thanks but no thanks.
- Yosimar89

I know. I wouldn't either. I'm just trying to determine what his market value would be.

I know. I wouldn't either. I'm just trying to determine what his market value would be.
- PhillySportsGuy

He's had an above avg season this year compared to his previous play, just before the big paycheck coming.

Maybe he can repeat what he's down this season down the line, but im not willing to take that risk.

We'll see what happens with him. Power forwards usually need to find that perfect line then they become very effective. You can see that with Hartnell and Simmonds.
- PhillySportsGuy

Sometimes Free Agents need some time to settle in. He's had the suspensions and now an injury. He isn't producing right now as they would hope, but it's not a one year deal, it's a long term deal. And the money is overblown. It's not that huge of a deal.

love read. thats obvious by now. but he isnt the game changing center piece. Laughton, i do like, but he doesnt exactly project to fill a spot of need for the pens. and a first is never anything to sneeze at, but i would be hoping for something with more immediate dividends.
- stayinthefnnet

I think it's an underrated return for the Pens because it allows them to re-sign Niskanen or sign Girardi.

I may consider a Letang for Couts straight up. I just love Couturier. I think he can win the Selke. Those types of players win playoff games.
- PhillySportsGuy

Coots actually isnt who i was referencing, although he is definitely a player i like. but again, i dont necessarily see him as filling a huge hole.

Sometimes Free Agents need some time to settle in. He's had the suspensions and now an injury. He isn't producing right now as they would hope, but it's not a one year deal, it's a long term deal. And the money is overblown. It's not that huge of a deal.
- MJL

It was a pretty substantial deal. It's not looking good for them right now. When I watch Leaf games, I never even see him. I forget he's on their team for entire games sometimes.

Coots actually isnt who i was referencing, although he is definitely a player i like. but again, i dont necessarily see him as filling a huge hole.
- stayinthefnnet

So who do you want? Simmonds and read?

He's had an above avg season this year compared to his previous play, just before the big paycheck coming.

Maybe he can repeat what he's down this season down the line, but im not willing to take that risk.
- Yosimar89

Flyers aren't a team they would trade Letang to, but I was thinking he may be expendable with the emergence of Niskanen and Maata. If they trade him, they can get a big return and re-sign Niskanen.

So who do you want? Simmonds and read?
- PhillySportsGuy

yup. and you can keep your draft pick. i realize you guys wouldnt do that, but that would be my asking price. i actually think letang would be better for you guys than he is for the penguins, and he would literally be able to cure so much of what ails your team.

yup. and you can keep your draft pick. i realize you guys wouldnt do that, but that would be my asking price. i actually think letang would be better for you guys than he is for the penguins, and he would literally be able to cure so much of what ails your team.
- stayinthefnnet

I would do Read and Simmonds. I would wait until the offseason as we can't have Laughton on the team yet and we'd need to sign a power forward to replace Simmonds.

It was a pretty substantial deal. It's not looking good for them right now. When I watch Leaf games, I never even see him. I forget he's on their team for entire games sometimes.
- PhillySportsGuy

A little over 5M a year isn't a big deal with the Cap going up and likely continuing to go up. He hasn't had a good year for them to this point. But it's a 7 year deal I think, and the future could be very different.

Flyers aren't a team they would trade Letang to, but I was thinking he may be expendable with the emergence of Niskanen and Maata. If they trade him, they can get a big return and re-sign Niskanen.
- PhillySportsGuy

even if letang leaves, i dont know if i am comfortable signing niskanen to a contract pushing 6 a year.

Flyers aren't a team they would trade Letang to, but I was thinking he may be expendable with the emergence of Niskanen and Maata. If they trade him, they can get a big return and re-sign Niskanen.
- PhillySportsGuy

I was talking about Niskanen...



edit: but between the two i'd rather have Letang as he's shown more over a longer period of time. Yes i know he has his flaws, but he does things no other dmen on our team does.

I would do Read and Simmonds. I would wait until the offseason as we can't have Laughton on the team yet and we'd need to sign a power forward to replace Simmonds.
- PhillySportsGuy

I wouldn't include both in the deal. I'd only trade one roster forward. And I don't think it would be Simmonds.

I would do Read and Simmonds. I would wait until the offseason as we can't have Laughton on the team yet and we'd need to sign a power forward to replace Simmonds.
- PhillySportsGuy

its definitely a colossal risk for both teams. and definitely a big thing to give up for both sides. but it would be hard pressed for the teams to find a better elixir for their shortcomings while dealing primarily from an area of strength

I wouldn't include both in the deal. I'd only trade one roster forward. And I don't think it would be Simmonds.
- MJL

then if it was up to me, for better or worse, a deal wouldnt come close. the assets arent there.

I wouldn't include both in the deal. I'd only trade one roster forward. And I don't think it would be Simmonds.
- MJL

Agreed, Simmer has become an untouchable for me. Unless it's for an all world guy.

A little over 5M a year isn't a big deal with the Cap going up and likely continuing to go up. He hasn't had a good year for them to this point. But it's a 7 year deal I think, and the future could be very different.
- MJL

It restrains them a bit this offseason. It may not hold them back from a ton, but if he continues to struggle, it's not a good allocation of cap space.

then if it was up to me, for better or worse, a deal wouldnt come close. the assets arent there.
- stayinthefnnet

I can understand that.

Agreed, Simmer has become an untouchable for me. Unless it's for an all world guy.
- Yosimar89

I love Simmonds, but Letang is a top pairing defenseman. We don't have any of those and our young guys are still a ways away. As much as I love both Read and Simmonds, They are 3rd and 2nd line players on this team.

It restrains them a bit this offseason. It may not hold them back from a ton, but if he continues to struggle, it's not a good allocation of cap space.
- PhillySportsGuy

If a player struggles it's never a good allocation of cap space. There is always that risk in making any move.