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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 4 @ 11:19 AM ET
gotta say it's amusing how many posters, some of whom are in here for hourrrrs a day, didn't watch the game

set your dvrs, people

- -davies-


I record all the games on CSN, but I don't bother when they're on TCN because it's only shown in SD on FIOS and it looks horrible.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:20 AM ET
They last beat them in 2000, last in SJ was 1999...I believe.

What are people's thought on extending:

Downie (UFA)
B. Schenn (RFA)
Raffl (RFA)
Hall (UFA)
Kimmo (UFA)
Mez (UFA)
Gus (RFA)
Gill (UFA)
Emery (UFA)

Which would you keep, and what would your offer be?

- jmatchett383



Downie (UFA) Letting him walk
B. Schenn (RFA) Bridge deal, 3.5 million for 3 years.
Raffl (RFA) 2 year 1 million
Hall (UFA) I want a faster defensive 4th line... Most likely Laughtons spot next year.
Kimmo (UFA) If he wants to come back, I'm not giving him more then 3 million so i can fill other needs.
Mez (UFA) Depends on if he keeps getting better the rest of the season. If he signs for 1 million for 1 year he would be a good 7th d-man again.
Gus (RFA) I would really like to move on from Gus while he still has value. I would include him in a trade. He needs to show more at his age, and I feel like he is made of glass.
Gill (UFA) BYE
Emery (UFA) I would resign him, but I think he wants a chance to compete for a starter spot, so he will move on. But thats fine, get that AHL goalie a shot. There will always be cheap goalies to be had out there.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 4 @ 11:22 AM ET
How about Kulemin?
- Feanor


Probably too expensive. Adding Laughton a lone should be like adding a top-9 forward next year.

Hopefully. Can't bank on that, just saying if there going to spend money at forward, it can't be anything crazy unless you trade a guy like Hartnell.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
Downie (UFA) Letting him walk
B. Schenn (RFA) Bridge deal, 3.5 million for 3 years.
Raffl (RFA) 2 year 1 million
Hall (UFA) I want a faster defensive 4th line... Most likely Laughtons spot next year.
Kimmo (UFA) If he wants to come back, I'm not giving him more then 3 million so i can fill other needs.
Mez (UFA) Depends on if he keeps getting better the rest of the season. If he signs for 1 million for 1 year he would be a good 7th d-man again.
Gus (RFA) I would really like to move on from Gus while he still has value. I would include him in a trade. He needs to show more at his age, and I feel like he is made of glass.
Gill (UFA) BYE
Emery (UFA) I would resign him, but I think he wants a chance to compete for a starter spot, so he will move on. But thats fine, get that AHL goalie a shot. There will always be cheap goalies to be had out there.

- youarewrong


Have wins against LA and SJ as well as a solid effort against Anaheim sold you on this team yet?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
Yup. They definitely seem to flatten out at home after a good road trip against tough opponents. Isn't their PP% quite a bit lower at home than on the road?

Maybe it's because, as G said last night, they are traveling and staying together as a team and that makes them closer and better? Whatever it is, they need to bring it home with them.

- wolfhounds


I think you guys should buy me 2 tickets to the next game. I'm thier lucky charm. I'm the one that started off the run in the Edmonton game...
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Feb 4 @ 11:24 AM ET
Many players feel more comfortable on the road because it simplifies their lives. It becomes eat, sleep, hockey.
- PhillySportsGuy


Didn't Lavi have the players stay in a hotel before a home playoff game during the SC run? Or am I just making that up?
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 4 @ 11:24 AM ET
Downie (UFA): depends on the $$$, almost definitely no
B. Schenn (RFA): yes
Raffl (RFA): yes
Hall (UFA): yes
Kimmo (UFA): hell no
Mez (UFA): depends on the $$$, but probably no
Gus (RFA): yes
Gill (UFA): no
Emery (UFA): depends on the $$$
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 4 @ 11:25 AM ET
@ youarewrong

Gus has looked very good in the last two games, not sure if you got to watch them, but he definitely warrants another year deal for 1M, imo

hope your wife is doing well
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 4 @ 11:25 AM ET
Didn't Lavi have the players stay in a hotel before a home playoff game during the SC run? Or am I just making that up?
- wolfhounds


Maybe. It's not uncommon.

I remember the 49ers having to play two straight games on the east coast and Harbaugh kept the team their for the entire week.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:26 AM ET
Have wins against LA and SJ as well as a solid effort against Anaheim sold you on this team yet?
- jmatchett383


Sold me on this team? They are an average team, that is in trouble in the future. I dont think they are the worst team ever, but I still think they need to think about fixing thier wholes. Really happy about the recent wins, but I take them for what they are... a mid pack team.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 4 @ 11:27 AM ET

Gus (RFA) I would really like to move on from Gus while he still has value. I would include him in a trade. He needs to show more at his age, and I feel like he is made of glass.

- youarewrong


More than leading the team in +/- by a large margin and being 3rd in PPG scoring amongst defensemen despite getting very little PP time?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Feb 4 @ 11:27 AM ET
I think you guys should buy me 2 tickets to the next game. I'm thier lucky charm. I'm the one that started off the run in the Edmonton game...
- youarewrong


Here we go...

-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Feb 4 @ 11:28 AM ET
I record all the games on CSN, but I don't bother when they're on TCN because it's only shown in SD on FIOS and it looks horrible.
- Feanor



ru serious?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:29 AM ET
@ youarewrong

Gus has looked very good in the last two games, not sure if you got to watch them, but he definitely warrants another year deal for 1M, imo

hope your wife is doing well

- Marc D


I haven't been watching, but that is good news. I would really like to see him play more games he rest of the season. The guy has had a lot of in season up and downs, and a lot of very untimely injuries. If he can continue to play well then I can see him earning a contract. But if its still a rollcoaster season, and given the fact he is not waiver exempt, I would think about moving him.

Edit: Thanks she is feeling fine, but stressed about all the Dr. Appts.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 4 @ 11:29 AM ET
I didn't see the game but I like what I'm hearing as far as how they played. We've seen it all Season. When the Flyers are up on their skates and moving their feet, they are not a slow team, and they can compete with anybody. But they often don't move their feet and play slow far too often. If anyone can figure out why that is, let me know. But it is team wide when it happens, so it's not because they have players that are too slow. You can play fast, or play slow.
- MJL



The San Jose announcers kept making a great point about speed. They kept saying that knowing where the puck will be increases your team speed and the speed at which you play the game. It allows you to skate where you need to go without worrying about whether you have to hold up or change direction, you trust your system and team mates to put the pucks where you expect them to be quickly.

bgratch
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.17.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:31 AM ET
RE: Downie next year

Does anyone think that McGinn could replace Downie or play 4th line if Raffl goes to 3rd line?

McGinn-Coots-Read

Raffl - Laughton - Rinaldo/Hall
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:31 AM ET
Sold me on this team? They are an average team, that is in trouble in the future. I dont think they are the worst team ever, but I still think they need to think about fixing thier wholes. Really happy about the recent wins, but I take them for what they are... a mid pack team.
- youarewrong


You were talking some sort of crazy along the lines of, "Well, they beat a crippled Detroit team. It's gonna take a few more wins against better teams to make me believe they're a playoff team," or something. Just wondering what the criteria is for that, and if it's been met.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:31 AM ET
Probably too expensive. Adding Laughton a lone should be like adding a top-9 forward next year.

Hopefully. Can't bank on that, just saying if there going to spend money at forward, it can't be anything crazy unless you trade a guy like Hartnell.

- mochoson


I think next year I would like a Cousins-Laughton-Rinaldo line. Energy, with scoring pop, and much faster then Hall.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 4 @ 11:32 AM ET
ru serious?
- -davies-

it does look horrible on standard def

(I watch it anyway, but they should all be broadcast in HD)
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:33 AM ET
RE: Downie next year

Does anyone think that McGinn could replace Downie or play 4th line if Raffl goes to 3rd line?

McGinn-Coots-Read

Raffl - Laughton - Rinaldo/Hall

- bgratch


For some reason, it seems they're reluctant to give McGinn a full-time spot.

Which is weird, because he's played really well for me on NHL14.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 4 @ 11:33 AM ET
I would give Akeson a go instead of McGinn.

ru serious?
- -davies-


Yeah, I'm OK with just watching the highlights on NHLN.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 4 @ 11:33 AM ET
I may be the only one here, but has anyone else preferred the defense WITHOUT Timonen the past two games? I have big time. I like this group of 6 playing together a lot, actually. There just seems to be more cohesion defensively.

Only so much to take away from that observation, as it's only been two games. But they've been two pretty good games. Could be masked by just a better overall effort from the entire team in general; forwards getting back, playoff like work ethic shift in and shift out, etc.

Just a thought: do we entertain trading Timonen to a contender, even if we are still in the hunt? Sounds silly, I know. But the return wouldn't likely be half bad.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Feb 4 @ 11:34 AM ET
ru serious?
- -davies-


It does look quite bad and is difficult to watch, but then I like to think back to the Legion of Doom days watching the game in SD on a 26" tube TV and all of a sudden it's not nearly as horrible.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 4 @ 11:34 AM ET
RE: Downie next year

Does anyone think that McGinn could replace Downie or play 4th line if Raffl goes to 3rd line?

McGinn-Coots-Read

Raffl - Laughton - Rinaldo/Hall

- bgratch

right now I prefer Downie over McGinn

At the moment one is a legit NHLer and the other looks like a fringe call up.

Obviously this could all change in time.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:35 AM ET
I would give Akeson a go instead of McGinn.



Yeah, I'm OK with just watching the highlights on NHLN.

- Feanor


Depends on what the spot is. Most agree that Akeson's lone spot is a top-6 scoring line because he lacks...well, he's basically Briere lite. McGinn's more of a traditional bottom-6 guy who can play sporadically on the top-6.
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