Sam Gagner is only 24, and could really benefit from a change of scenery off a crappy Oilers team.

Luke Schenn is also only 24. Wish he could skate better. He's just way to slow for those speedy wingers in today's nhl

Sam Gagner is only 24, and could really benefit from a change of scenery off a crappy Oilers team.

Luke Schenn is also only 24. Wish he could skate better. He's just way to slow for those speedy wingers in today's nhl
- Winning

Can Ganger play LW? That would be the only way Id be interested.

Can Ganger play LW? That would be the only way Id be interested.
- hereticpride

i'm not sure i'm interested at all. save luke as a chip for a bigger trade. jmo.

Sam Gagner is only 24, and could really benefit from a change of scenery off a crappy Oilers team.

Luke Schenn is also only 24. Wish he could skate better. He's just way to slow for those speedy wingers in today's nhl
- Winning

Schenn has turned it around & played much better, good forward passing, much more steady in the defensive zone, but unless he becomes a 24 minute guy with 40 point seasons, etc, the trade is still a disappointment.
But Gagner for Luke makes the trade more acceptable

Adding Gagner could be the first step. Maybe they trade for Gagner & then flip him or Brayden Schenn+ for a guy like Yandle.

Luke Schenn for Sam Gagner rumors
Why the Flyers need another Center blows my mind.
- Winning

I hate too say this - total speculation... But maybe it part of a bigger deal or several moves.. like. Gagner plus Defenseman for Luke plus Forward.

Why Gagner... I think Homer is trying to find someone to play with Giroux and Jake... Despite Hartnell excellent play, I think their is a thought that he can't keep up. Voracek-Giroux-Gagner?

Or if it was just Luke for Gagner.. So, their is a bigger hole on Defense. Trade a forward and another defenseman to upgrade for a better Defenseman. (Like Dailey for Mez and Downie).

Looking forward to another day of CORGI talk. Glad Ill be at the movies. I like these dogs but I still have no idea what it has to do with hockey.





- MBFlyerfan

leave me out of this

I hate too say this - total speculation... But maybe it part of a bigger deal or several moves.. like. Gagner plus Defenseman for Luke plus Forward.

Why Gagner... I think Homer is trying to find someone to play with Giroux and Jake... Despite Hartnell excellent play, I think their is a thought that he can't keep up. Voracek-Giroux-Gagner?

Or if it was just Luke for Gagner.. So, their is a bigger hole on Defense. Trade a forward and another defenseman to upgrade for a better Defenseman. (Like Dailey for Mez and Downie).
- leon neon

Me and Jsaq were talking about this yesterday, you dont have the entire brass scout a Edmonton game in person just for Gagner. Same as with Edmonton brass being at a Flyers game. I believe there is a trade to be made from these two teams probably grit for skill type trade.

Me and Jsaq were talking about this yesterday, you dont have the entire brass scout a Edmonton game in person just for Gagner. Same as with Edmonton brass being at a Flyers game. I believe there is a trade to be made from these two teams probably grit for skill type trade.
- flyerfan28

its all intriguing, but there's a lot of free time to speculate, (sucks!)

Eberle and Gagner for Luke and Braydn Schenn type deal would be something

Can Ganger play LW? That would be the only way Id be interested.
- hereticpride

He's a center & one who is not good on faceoffs.

Changing subject

Medal picks; mine are
Gold: Sweden
Silver: Russia
Bronze: Canada

Changing subject

Medal picks; mine are
Gold: Sweden
Silver: Russia
Bronze: Canada
- BiggE

Gold: USA
Silver: Russia
Bronze: Czech

He's a center & one who is not good on faceoffs.
- ob18

He's also small, poor defensively, and doesn't score that many points.

And he had a 4.8m cap hit.

He's also small, poor defensively, and doesn't score that many points.

And he had a 4.8m cap hit.
- Feanor

and we would want him because??

The only Oiler forward I'd really be interested in other than Hall and RNH, who aren't going anywhere, is Eberle.

Eberle and Gagner for Luke and Braydn Schenn type deal would be something
- Winning

The Schenn's probably dont even get you Eberle alone.

If Homer wants to get G a legit LW that's fine. But I would only look for a decent priced rental right now.

We cant be trading D men for forwards now. Thats what happens when you dont keep your system evenly stocked.

The problem in the Grossmann discussion, for me, isn't that he shouldn't be on the team or in the NHL, it's that his position shouldn't be an assured one when other guys who play poorly are being shuttled in and out.

Sure LA won with Scuderi & Mitchell. But they also had Drew Doughty & Slava Voynov. Nobody should be arguing that you don't need a a mix, because you do. What they are saying, that gets pushed aside when stats come into play, is that one 4-5-6 defenseman who blocks shots & hits should be as subject to being benched as an offensive minded youngster or a veteran who scores from set piece offense when they play like crap.

Even the most ardent Grossmann defenders admit he had a bad January. Guys like Gustafsson, Meszaros, and Schenn would have a bad game or two & get benched, while Grossmann was allowed to work his way through an entire month long slump. That's as much my issue as anything.

On top of that, I don't think Grossmann has been that good all season. That's open to debate, of course, but it's no less valid than those who defend Grossmann with no evidence besides their opinion. I'm not going to participate in a Richard swinging contest over this, because its futile and annoying to deal with some on this board.

So, have at it.
- Jsaquella

Your entire argument is based on the coach and not the player. The player became the focus, but the coach is where your issues stem from.

He's also small, poor defensively, and doesn't score that many points.

And he had a 4.8m cap hit.
- Feanor

= pass

Your entire argument is based on the coach and not the player. The player became the focus, but the coach is where your issues stem from.
- mikel33

Good assessment. I think Berube allowed Grossmann to work through his struggles for 2 reasons: First, much like Timonen, he's a warrior who gives his all every shift, and second, I think the coaching staff feels he's vital for the PK.

Mez and Gus are not vital for either the PP or PK and I believe Schenn was benched as a message to young player to work harder.

Bill, You're tied into Dallas; what do they need and who's available that the Flyers might need? Unless its a minor deal, I can't see the Flyers upsetting the Forward line up. Defense on the other hand has been an issue. I'd love to see any upgrade but not sure who they'd want from the Stars.

I don't doubt TB being there. Sure it's all business... But, there's got to be some bad blood between the Flyers and Stevie Y. They're not going to trade Hedman. So, who do the Flyers want? (Maybe Stamkos is worst than published...S. Downie back to TB???)
- leon neon

Please say VN.

heard that too. i can't imagine they go after gagner.

I keep reading that flyers like eberle, hemsky... Oilers like Luke, Coby, Coots
- moylander

Maybe I'm completely wrong but I just don't see Gagner putting up numbers he did in the past. He's got nice finish and 'quickness' but the league's penalty-calling habits have altered since the advent of the 'New NHL' where Gagner was really able to capitalize and maximize.

Sam Gagner is only 24, and could really benefit from a change of scenery off a crappy Oilers team.

Luke Schenn is also only 24. Wish he could skate better. He's just way to slow for those speedy wingers in today's nhl
- Winning

why are we trading our best young dman

Gold: USA
Silver: Russia
Bronze: Czech
- Just5

The Canadians would riot.

I'm not even sure the US medals this olympics.

Gold:Sweden
Silver:Canada
Bronze:Russia

Your entire argument is based on the coach and not the player. The player became the focus, but the coach is where your issues stem from.
- mikel33

Not really. It's on both. I have always stated that usage and partners played with are a factor. I've never said my issue was solely on Grossmann. That's a supposition that others have put on my comments.

My issue with Grossmann is that, IMO, he hasn't played especially well for the bulk of the season. My issue with the coach and GM is, that they continue to use him in a manner that forces him to play past his limits.

My issue with the discussion is that it cherry picked part of my argument and made that the focus of the discussion. It became a witch hunt for Grossmann and a denunciation of stats, which were only used to show a trend when Grossmann was on the ice. Stats were part of the argument, but quickly because the crux of it-which was never my intent.

Good assessment. I think Berube allowed Grossmann to work through his struggles for 2 reasons: First, much like Timonen, he's a warrior who gives his all every shift, and second, I think the coaching staff feels he's vital for the PK.

Mez and Gus are not vital for either the PP or PK and I believe Schenn was benched as a message to young player to work harder.
- BiggE

Very possible, and in this case I disagree with the coach.