With Current contracts, Leafs Roster Next Year

JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - ?
? - ? - ?
Orr - ? - McLaren

Phaneuf - Gunnar
Gleason - Rielly
? - ?

Bernier
?
That's a lot of blanks to fill in. I'd personally like to see one of Orr or McLaren gone and replaced by Bodie full time
- ILoveLamp

Orr needs to go no matter what. His time has come.

Raymond's 29 hits....is a little sandpaper for a little guy.

Again, you dont even know what you are arguing anymore.
If I were use your opinion.....you are the Mason Raymond of these boards.
- Fakepartofme

The ever reliable real-time stats....... but ok I'll play along. Raymond's 29hits in 60 games is THE WORST on the team. Softest player on the team.

Zero sandpaper. Zero. Zilch. Nada......

With Current contracts, Leafs Roster Next Year

JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - ?
? - ? - ?
Orr - ? - McLaren

Phaneuf - Gunnar
Gleason - Rielly
? - ?

Bernier
?

That's a lot of blanks to fill in. I'd personally like to see one of Orr or McLaren gone and replaced by Bodie full time
- ILoveLamp

Clarkson?

You can predict the future?
18 points in 55 games...is good for depth player.
- Fakepartofme

Really??? Then I guess we disagree..... 27pts players over 82 games isn't good.


The playoffs get tougher and raymond is already soft as butter.

Bolland, Holland Smith cost nothing.
- burn

Im glad to have them in.

in the toilets? he a practical joker?

cause on the ice.. raymond is tissue paper.. not sand
- Dozzer

hamsuis and sharp out.. subban and duschene in

and all you guys were saying kunitz was going to be sat lol not gonna happen.
- Dozzer

I didn't get a chance to watch much of the game yesterday so I don't know Sharp's game but I'm surprised he's sitting.

Especially if it's all about chemistry.

he's moved to the 3rd line...... people look at the scoreboard but the scoreboard hasn't been great since Nov for him.

trade him for an asset and not miss him at all.
- burn

Even if that were true, its a downgrade for any other player at 1m. You're not going to get someone to replace him, who can fill in in the second line when someone else is out, and provide production. You're wrong that they won't miss him. Period.

Do you not see any value in depth? You find it useless?

Why are we comparing a top 6 with 4th liners?? What does what orr/Smith/Mclaren/ect do have to do with Raymond??

losing raymond wouldn't hurt this team one bit. Get an asset for him.
- burn

We're comparing b/c injuries happen ....even to top 6 fwds. Raymond can replace Lupul better than Smith.

Even if that were true, its a downgrade for any other player at 1m. You're not going to get someone to replace him, who can fill in in the second line when someone else is out, and provide production. You're wrong that they won't miss him. Period.

Do you not see any value in depth? You find it useless?
- prock

Holland and Smith??

Really??? Then I guess we disagree..... 27pts players over 82 games isn't good.


The playoffs get tougher and raymond is already soft as butter.
- burn

How many teams have more than six guys with over 18 pts right now? Probably not many.

Clarkson?
- burn

traded for a pack of p40 sandpaper ..extra gritty

I didn't get a chance to watch much of the game yesterday so I don't know Sharp's game but I'm surprised he's sitting.

Especially if it's all about chemistry.
- Aaron85

well.. there must be a reason for it

i highly expect that babcock is going to expect more from the guys today.. i guess yesterday the instruction was to just go out and play.. babcock used it as a way to gauge what he had.

today.. i expect, will be different.

We're comparing b/c injuries happen ....even to top 6 fwds. Raymond can replace Lupul better than Smith.
- The Law

Smith did a pretty good job on the 2nd line when he had the chance.

Really??? Then I guess we disagree..... 27pts players over 82 games isn't good.


The playoffs get tougher and raymond is already soft as butter.
- burn

Sorry that is his playoff numbers not this years season numbers.

Right now he has 35 pts and is on pace for 48.

Again....if he is traded for something that benefits the team....do it!
He's not the best player by any stretch...but he's been a decent pick up and has helped the team

Holland and Smith??
- burn

Yeah? What about them?

traded for a pack of p40 sandpaper ..extra gritty
- senstroll

And tissue paper...

Yeah? What about them?
- prock

Depth??

We're comparing b/c injuries happen ....even to top 6 fwds. Raymond can replace Lupul better than Smith.
- The Law

Exactly. Depth....which is what I was saying before Jbold went on his usual nonsense.

so sand paper raymond is 512th in the league for hits

right there with frans neilson, and the sedin twins

Exactly. Depth....which is what I was saying before Jbold went on his usual nonsense.
- Fakepartofme

Yes. Because saying we need Raymond to make a playoff run, and saying he adds sandpaper because he has 29 hits this season (Only 9 more than Kessel) isnt nonsense to you.


Hypocrite much?

And tissue paper...
- burn

he's great for .. uh.. stuffing gifts bags?

so sand paper raymond is 512th in the league for hits

right there with frans neilson, and the sedin twins
- Dozzer

#Facts

#NotNonsense

orr and mcclaren bring a confidence to the rest of the lineup.. what they bring doesnt show up on the score sheet.

and i have said repeatedtly if you can find someone to do the job they do AND put up some numbers i am all for replacing them.

raymond is there to add scoring.. thats all. he isnt doing that.. so he isnt doing his job. at least orr and co are able to do the job asked of them.

and you need to consider the financial implications of raymond.. simply put.. the leafs cant afford to retain him another year so you move him.. its not that complex.
- Dozzer

What does that mean?

Think it through. If you're heading for the playoffs you add guys for depth and experience. Nobody wants both McL and Orr in the lineup in the playoffs not even Carlyle. Raymond can play on the 3rd line (unless you add somebody better) and is better suited to take some shift in the top 6 than Smith et al. if an injury would occur.

You must really really want that 2nd or 3rd pick.

well.. there must be a reason for it

i highly expect that babcock is going to expect more from the guys today.. i guess yesterday the instruction was to just go out and play.. babcock used it as a way to gauge what he had.

today.. i expect, will be different.
- Dozzer

I always trust in the professional coaches who know far more than me but it's still surprising lol.

How did St. Louis play yesterday?