Well that's a pretty viable reason honestly.
- Yeti1181

Somewhat...Lets not get carried away... ...Luo been there and done it counts for something..

All that said kinda hope they go with Price sunday...

So what your arguement then? We shouldn't use Lou because he won gold then?
- Yeti1181

I've stated it about ten times. Canada had the strongest team. The strongest offense. The strongest defense. Nowhere near the strongest goaltending. They won because of their offense and defense.

What is your argument? Because it sounds to me like you think that canada won gold therefore their goalie must have been the best goalie. Weird, because I think sometimes, just sometimes, a team beats another team with better goaltending. I mean, did the rangers go 82 wins last year? And the year before? Doesn't that make corey Crawford the beat goalie in the league?

I'd be starting price. He's a better goalie at this point. Unfortunately I think Canada's goaltending is weak overall. Price is the only chance at getting top goaltending this year, as he has been putting that up so far. Luongo just isn't a top goaltender anymore. And he was not one of the better goaltenders in 2010, in the Olympics.

Luongo isn't a bad goalie. Certainly not a top goalie anymore.

All that said kinda hope they go with Price sunday...
- Fruitcakenipple

Be pretty interesting to see who they go with.

So if I was in net we would have won gold?


Edit: I'm actually an amazing road/floor hockey goalie.
- Yeti1181

No. Austria's goalie behind team canada stands a chance at winning a medal. Team Canada's goalie behind Austria doesn't.

You seem to think that because I say he was among the weaker goalies in Vancouver that somehow means he was terrible? Not really. He just doesn't measure up against other countries elite goalies.

Not many Canadian goalies have in recent years. Not sure why. The majority of elite goalies have come from other countries since brodeur and Roy declined/retired.

Be pretty interesting to see who they go with.
- Yeti1181

No matter who, I suspect it ends up price by playoffs.

I've stated it about ten times. Canada had the strongest team. The strongest offense. The strongest defense. Nowhere near the strongest goaltending. They won because of their offense and defense.

What is your argument? Because it sounds to me like you think that canada won gold therefore their goalie must have been the best goalie. Weird, because I think sometimes, just sometimes, a team beats another team with better goaltending. I mean, did the rangers go 82 wins last year? And the year before? Doesn't that make corey Crawford the beat goalie in the league?

I'd be starting price. He's a better goalie at this point. Unfortunately I think Canada's goaltending is weak overall. Price is the only chance at getting top goaltending this year, as he has been putting that up so far. Luongo just isn't a top goaltender anymore. And he was not one of the better goaltenders in 2010, in the Olympics.

Luongo isn't a bad goalie. Certainly not a top goalie anymore.
- prock

You keep saying that but all the stats prove otherwise and you keep saying you re using stats but you haven't used it once to prove anything. I have said we didn't have the strongest goalie but to say we won despite having bad goaltending is wrong and as our goaltending was good.

Oh and Crawford doesn't play for the rangers

Joe Finley (6.08) - Eric Knodel (6.06)

One of the Leafs future D pairs.

The Giant Ogres.
- BoTtLePoLiCe

Finley is the buffalo prospect? Watched the amerks play last year. He's huge.

You keep saying that but all the stats prove otherwise and you keep saying you re using stats but you haven't used it once to prove anything. I have said we didn't have the strongest goalie but to say we won despite having bad goaltending is wrong and as our goaltending was good.

Oh and Crawford doesn't play for the rangers

- Yeti1181

What stats exactly?

Yes I know crawford plays for the hawks. You seem to think that since they won the cup he's the best goalie.

I'm saying I'd the beat goalie always won, the rangers would go 82-0, and win the cup. Best goalie in the NHL as far as I'm concerned.

No. Austria's goalie behind team canada stands a chance at winning a medal. Team Canada's goalie behind Austria doesn't.

You seem to think that because I say he was among the weaker goalies in Vancouver that somehow means he was terrible? Not really. He just doesn't measure up against other countries elite goalies.

Not many Canadian goalies have in recent years. Not sure why. The majority of elite goalies have come from other countries since brodeur and Roy declined/retired.
- prock

I doubt having the Austrian goalie in our net we would have won gold. You can't honestly compare Louong a top ten goalie in the NHL to a guy who plays 4 league lower. Lou got us the saves we needed to win couple more goals he lets in somewhere else and we lose.

I'm arguing the fact because the stats say he was not one of the weaker goalies in the tournament yet you keep saying he was.

What stats exactly?

Yes I know crawford plays for the hawks. You seem to think that since they won the cup he's the best goalie.

I'm saying I'd the beat goalie always won, the rangers would go 82-0, and win the cup. Best goalie in the NHL as far as I'm concerned.
- prock

That fact he was top 4 in sv% and gaa I'm not sure what other stats you want to use for goalies.

Bored as hell so just some thoughts....Future.

Van Riemsdyk - Bozak - Kessel -----Why break them up there playing great...
Tuch - Kadri - Clarkson -----Clarkson's been playing decent...Lupul's old...draft Tuch
Holland - Gauthier - Biggs ----- Gauthiers a 3rd liner..Biggs probably is too..Hollands good
Broll/Bodie - R. Rupert - M.Rupert ----Rupert twins = Komarov x 2...Broll/Bodie can play

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - Finn
Percy - Granberg

Bernier/Reimer

I really think the Ruperts could be good for the Leafs...I see them play all the time and man do other teams hate them...

What stats exactly?

Yes I know crawford plays for the hawks. You seem to think that since they won the cup he's the best goalie.

I'm saying I'd the beat goalie always won, the rangers would go 82-0, and win the cup. Best goalie in the NHL as far as I'm concerned.
- prock

I didn't say Crawford was the best goalie nor did I say Lou was the best goalie in the Olympic tournament.

I doubt having the Austrian goalie in our net we would have won gold. You can't honestly compare Louong a top ten goalie in the NHL to a guy who plays 4 league lower. Lou got us the saves we needed to win couple more goals he lets in somewhere else and we lose.

I'm arguing the fact because the stats say he was not one of the weaker goalies in the tournament yet you keep saying he was.
- Yeti1181

He's not a top ten goalie in the NHL anymore. No way.

And the stats do not say he was one of the top goalies in Vancouver.

Who are they?
- Yeti1181

Eric Knodel drafted by the Leafs...Captain of U. New Hampshire...highest scoring D man on his team...

Joe Finley former 1st rounder...giant...

He's not a top ten goalie in the NHL anymore. No way.

And the stats do not say he was one of the top goalies in Vancouver.
- prock

Top four in sv% and gaa? What exactly is not top goalies stats about that

Eric Knodel drafted by the Leafs...Captain of U. New Hampshire...highest scoring D man on his team...

Joe Finley former 1st rounder...giant...
- BoTtLePoLiCe

Oh nice I shall have to look them up. I'm pretty bad at keeping up with lots of prospects.

I didn't say Crawford was the best goalie nor did I say Lou was the best goalie in the Olympic tournament.
- Yeti1181

Nor did I say he was the worst. Canada beat the Slovaks. Halak was the better goalie that day. For sure. Halak stood on his head that tournament and very nearly stole them a medal. He almost stole them a chance at gold for that matter.

Miller was easily the beat goalie in the tournament. That's the final two games canada won. Yet, they won despite the other team getting better goaltending. Canada won despite getting outplayed in goal. Despite their goaltending, they won.

Oh nice I shall have to look them up. I'm pretty bad at keeping up with lots of prospects.
- Yeti1181

Yeah...

Top four in sv% and gaa? What exactly is not top goalies stats about that
- Yeti1181

Five, not four.

And when your talking twelve teams, five of them who they should probably just make a tier two for, five is not great.

But hey, some teams that got no medal at all got better goaltending.

Nor did I say he was the worst. Canada beat the Slovaks. Halak was the better goalie that day. For sure. Halak stood on his head that tournament and very nearly stole them a medal. He almost stole them a chance at gold for that matter.

Miller was easily the beat goalie in the tournament. That's the final two games canada won. Yet, they won despite the other team getting better goaltending. Canada won despite getting outplayed in goal. Despite their goaltending, they won.
- prock

Just because a goalie out played Roberto does not mean we won despite our goaltending. If our offense was so great we should have blown them out of the water but we didn't. If we get up against a hot goalies our goalie still has to play well and stop the shots we need to win.

Five, not four.

And when your talking twelve teams, five of them who they should probably just make a tier two for, five is not great.
- prock

It was top 4 for both i checked it. So lunquist wasn't good either because Lou had better numbers then him?

Just because a goalie out played Roberto does not mean we won despite our goaltending. If our offense was so great we should have blown them out of the water but we didn't. If we get up against a hot goalies our goalie still has to play well and stop the shots we need to win.
- Yeti1181

When my sons team loses 7-0 and he is complaining about how bad there goalie played I always let him know even if your goalie stopped every shot you guys still need to score to win...

Just because a goalie out played Roberto does not mean we won despite our goaltending. If our offense was so great we should have blown them out of the water but we didn't. If we get up against a hot goalies our goalie still has to play well and stop the shots we need to win.
- Yeti1181

Sure. Tell you what, if it makes you feel better, I'll rephrase.

Canada won gold in 2010 because its group of forwards were far better than everyone else's, its defense was far better than everyone else's, and its goaltending was good enough not to blow it for the rest of the team. Barely.

When my sons team loses 7-0 and he is complaining about how bad there goalie played I always let him know even if your goalie stopped every shot you guys still need to score to win...
- BoTtLePoLiCe

That's why I thought it was funny Lou got blamed for the Stanley cup finals when the whole team didn't play well, in fact he might have been one of the better players in the final.