Do they want the 2nd rounder or the depth going into the playoffs? (frank) the 2nd rounder lets win some hockey games.
- The Law

Raymond isnt a difference maker.


And if you look at his point totals, he goes cold in the playoffs.

Probably because players, including gys like Kessel, step up and sacrifice themselves, take hits, ect.

But Raymond is still soft and scared.

anyone else get a Kyle Wellwood feeling with Brown?
wellfed put up 120 or so points
- senstroll

Difference is Brown goes to the dirty areas and competes hard.

No guarantee he makes it though.

yeah.. brown would be nice right about now... not the toughest but not afraid to drop them when needed.

i miss brown
- Dozzer

Brown-McClement-Komarov


Or


Damigo-McClement-Komarov

Wellwood was very talented, just completely out of shape.
- Feeling Glucky?

well.. he had a shape...

round.

Do they want the 2nd rounder or the depth going into the playoffs? (frank) the 2nd rounder lets win some hockey games.
- The Law

I have a feeling Raymond wouldn't be more than a space-filler in the playoffs, not even depth.

Do they want the 2nd rounder or the depth going into the playoffs? (frank) the 2nd rounder lets win some hockey games.
- The Law

raymond isn't going to win any playoff games. With Holland and Smith not playing right now we have depth + mckegg and leivo heating up in the A.


raymond is expendable

Difference is Brown goes to the dirty areas and competes hard.

No guarantee he makes it though.
- LeafMan

yup.

I want a pesky, bumhole of a bottom 6.


Ott-Bolland-Clutterbuck
Komarov-McClement-Carcillo

Raymond isnt a difference maker.


And if you look at his point totals, he goes cold in the playoffs.

Probably because players, including gys like Kessel, step up and sacrifice themselves, take hits, ect.

But Raymond is still soft and scared.
- jbold

But we're talking depth and experience. Trade Raymond, hit a couple of injuries (fairly common in the playoffs) and all of a sudden you're dressing McLaren and Orr or calling up rookies from the farm. The Leafs shouldn't be moving guys out ….unless they're going to also bring some guys in. Maybe swap Raymond for some 3rd line grit?

Brown-McClement-Komarov


Or


Damigo-McClement-Komarov
- jbold

i'd put komarov on the 3rd line in a heart beat.. let him shadow the oppositions best and annoy the hell out of them

But we're talking depth and experience. Trade Raymond, hit a couple of injuries (fairly common in the playoffs) and all of a sudden you're dressing McLaren and Orr or calling up rookies from the farm. The Leafs shouldn't be moving guys out ….unless they're going to also bring some guys in. Maybe swap Raymond for some 3rd line grit?
- The Law

(frank). Swap Raymond for anyone who is useful, and isnt soft and scared.

I have a feeling Raymond wouldn't be more than a space-filler in the playoffs, not even depth.
- Feeling Glucky?

I'm not pumpin' Raymond's tires but surely he's better than Smith, Orr, etc... and a better option then throwing McKegg and Leivo to the wolves.

I have a feeling Raymond wouldn't be more than a space-filler in the playoffs, not even depth.
- Feeling Glucky?

raymond has gotten a grand total of 13 points since mid december.

thats two months ago.

raymond has gotten a grand total of 13 points since mid december.

thats two months ago.
- Dozzer

And thats while getting PP time..

Difference is Brown goes to the dirty areas and competes hard.

No guarantee he makes it though.
- LeafMan

He's also a little taller. Still hopefully can fill out a little more than wellwiod and in a different way.

raymond has gotten a grand total of 13 points since mid december.

thats two months ago.
- Dozzer

and he gets tons of PP time.


people are way overvaluing him.

FYI, Brown was putting up points without McDavid. And he continued to when he was out of the lineup.

I'm not even sure they're playing together full time anymore.
- burn

Yeah Brown is seeing a lot of time with Brenden Gaunce now. I think Gaunce is actually benefitted from it more than Brown. Brown makes his own chances and is developing a pretty lethal wristshot that's getting more and more accurate.

Solid all around game. Not sure if his skill level translates as well to the nhl, but that's a project I'd take on my team any day

Yeah Brown is seeing a lot of time with Brenden Gaunce now. I think Gaunce is actually benefitted from it more than Brown. Brown makes his own chances and is developing a pretty lethal wristshot that's getting more and more accurate.

Solid all around game. Not sure if his skill level translates as well to the nhl, but that's a project I'd take on my team any day
- Davey_Crockett

from the 5th round, absolutely.

One softie from Bera and the SUI are sunk....... soft wrister right to the chest and he couldn't control.

and he gets tons of PP time.


people are way overvaluing him.
- burn

There's a reason he was still UFA in September. But for the price, meh, he's not a liability imho.

and he gets tons of PP time.


people are way overvaluing him.
- burn

i think some nuck fan disease came along with him and a few caught it

this is why its important to get vaccinated people!

And thats while getting PP time..
- jbold

yup. exactly

There's a reason he was still UFA in September. But for the price, meh, he's not a liability imho.
- Pecafan Fan

Agreed on both. We're getting what we put in, more maybe even. But we can move him for something and replace him without missing a beat.


Get an asset and move on.

i think some nuck fan disease came along with him and a few caught it

this is why its important to get vaccinated people!
- Dozzer

Who falls more on their own accord..... Stajan or Raymond??


from what I see he doesn't have good on-ice vision/hockey sense.


How many of his goals have come off soft wristers that the goalie wiffed on??