Re-signing Matt Carle before July 1? Dan Cleary? I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting, and plenty more we don't even know about.
- Tomahawk

The cap didn't prevent them from signing Cleary. He just didn't want to wait until they could. The cap also did not prevent the Flyers from signing Carle.

id take that hamilton deal and run with it. the josi deal i think is one of the best deals for both sides that ive seen proposed. im a big fan of that one as far as just an objective hockey trade.
- stayinthefnnet

We had a Bruins fan in a little while ago and he said he thought it was a pretty fair deal. Coburn fills an absolute need right now because Seidenberg is out for the year. He's signed for a couple more seasons at a good rate in his prime. This fits perfectly with the rest of the team. The Bruins have traded away some picks recently. Getting an extra first rounder would help replenish the system.

Technically, yes, but it was an either/or type deal. They couldn't sign both, but they wanted to sign one or the other. I'm pretty sure they would have offered both a deal if they had the money. It was pretty well known that they wanted to play together.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yes, they could've signed both players.

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The cap didn't prevent them from signing Cleary. He just didn't want to wait until they could. The cap also did not prevent the Flyers from signing Carle.
- MJL

I thought they couldn't re-sign him because of tagging space. Then in FA, he got much better offers and decided not to take the Flyers original offer.

We had a Bruins fan in a little while ago and he said he thought it was a pretty fair deal. Coburn fills an absolute need right now because Seidenberg is out for the year. He's signed for a couple more seasons at a good rate in his prime. This fits perfectly with the rest of the team. The Bruins have traded away some picks recently. Getting an extra first rounder would help replenish the system.
- PhillySportsGuy

i can see it from their perspective, because it does help them a good bit now. but hamilton looks pretty damn good.

Yes, they could've signed both players.
- MJL

I don't think so. I thought it was an either/or.

I thought they couldn't re-sign him because of tagging space. Then in FA, he got much better offers and decided not to take the Flyers original offer.
- PhillySportsGuy

Before the Flyers re-upped Grossmann they had plenty of tagging space to re-sign Carle. The Flyers made a choice there. They could've easily made Grossmann wait. We don't even know if Carle was willing to sign with the Flyers before testing free agency. Or if they even came to an agreeable deal in principle. You can also make moves to create tagging space if needed. It always comes down to choices.

i can see it from their perspective, because it does help them a good bit now. but hamilton looks pretty damn good.
- stayinthefnnet

I know. They say he has very good offensive instincts, but is still a work in progress defensively. He has #1 defenseman potential, but Coburn would give the current team exactly what they need. Plus, the first round pick will probably be in the top 20.

I thought they couldn't re-sign him because of tagging space. Then in FA, he got much better offers and decided not to take the Flyers original offer.
- PhillySportsGuy

And the whole reason why Cleary was asked to wait was b/c they didn't have enough cap-space to absorb the deal they had worked out with his agent... they had to wait for Pronger to go on LTIR.

I don't think so. I thought it was an either/or.
- PhillySportsGuy

You can not make bogus offers to players in Free Agency. You have to have the Cap space available to even make the offers. You can't just randomly throw out a bunch of offers and see who bites first.

And the whole reason why Cleary was asked to wait was b/c they didn't have enough cap-space to absorb the deal they had worked out with his agent... they had to wait for Pronger to go on LTIR.
- Tomahawk

The reason why the Flyers didn't sign Cleary is because he chose to go back to Detroit. Not because the Cap prevented the Flyers from doing so.

Before the Flyers re-upped Grossmann they had plenty of tagging space to re-sign Carle. The Flyers made a choice there. They could've easily made Grossmann wait. We don't even know if Carle was willing to sign with the Flyers before testing free agency. Or if they even came to an agreeable deal in principle. You can also make moves to create tagging space if needed. It always comes down to choices.
- MJL

Nice story, except that Homer was on record prior to July 1 saying that he wanted to re-sign Carle. It wasn't a choice... like Cleary, he asked Carle (and Jagr) to wait, and they said F that.

You can not make bogus offers to players in Free Agency. You have to have the Cap space available to even make the offers. You can't just randomly throw out a bunch of offers and see who bites first.
- MJL

Thank you. I negotiate contracts on a daily basis.

You can let everyone know where you stand. Agree in principle without writing anything up.

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- ob18

21st in the league in scoring with almost 10 less games played than almost everyone else above him. Isn't he a defense first player?

The reason why the Flyers didn't sign Cleary is because he chose to go back to Detroit. Not because the Cap prevented the Flyers from doing so.
- MJL

They had a contract in place... they just couldn't sign it due to cap constraints. THEN Detroit came and lured him back.

Saying the cap doesn't prevent the Flyers from doing whatever they want is the silliest thing I've ever heard on here... the whole point of the cap system is to keep free-spending teams from doing what they want, and running roughshod over smaller market teams.

Nice story, except that Homer was on record prior to July 1 saying that he wanted to re-sign Carle. It wasn't a choice... like Cleary, he asked Carle (and Jagr) to wait, and they said F that.
- Tomahawk

Nice story, but it takes two sides to complete a contract. And Holmgren also went on record saying he wasn't going to trade Richards and Carter also. And yes, if an agreement was reached with Carle during the Season, the Flyers absolutely had the choice to wait on signing Grossmann and sign Carle instead.

21st in the league in scoring with almost 10 less games played than almost everyone else above him. Isn't he a defense first player?
- JAKEw1234

Two-way guy. He's the captain of Portland too. He's a nice little player. I like him a lot and think he can play in the NHL. I think he'll surprise some people. Portland has a real shot to go deep this year and he's a big part of it.

They had a contract in place... they just couldn't sign it due to cap constraints. THEN Detroit came back and lured him back.

Saying the cap doesn't prevent the Flyers from doing whatever they want is the silliest thing I've ever heard on here... the whole point of the cap system is to keep free-spending teams from doing what they want, and running roughshod over smaller market teams.
- Tomahawk

All the Flyers did was invite Cleary to training Camp on 9/10. Cleary signed with Detroit on 9/12. Holmgren said there was never a contract agreed upon. The Flyers every Season, have had ample cap space to make big moves. It is assumed that in saying they can do whatever they want, doesn't mean that they can sign an unlimited number of players to large deals. That would infer that's what the Flyers want to do. Which is one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

Nice story, but it takes two sides to complete a contract. And Holmgren also went on record saying he wasn't going to trade Richards and Carter also. And yes, if an agreement was reached with Carle during the Season, the Flyers absolutely had the choice to wait on signing Grossmann and sign Carle instead.
- MJL

Do you believe the Flyers assess talent with the correct value in terms of dollars? Or do you believe they have a penchant for overpaying players?

Thank you. I negotiate contracts on a daily basis.

You can let everyone know where you stand. Agree in principle without writing anything up.
- PhillySportsGuy

Do you negotiate contracts in the NHL with a salary cap in place? There is also an off season salary cap. The Flyers made offers to both players because they were willing to sign both players. Using the off season 10% exemption. They would've had to make moves before the start of the season to fit everything, but they were willing to do so.

Do you believe the Flyers assess talent with the correct value in terms of dollars? Or do you believe they have a penchant for overpaying players?
- PhillySportsGuy

That's not specific enough. I think they do a very good job re-signing their own players. They overpay most times in Free Agency just like every team does. But not always.

All the Flyers did was invite Cleary to training Camp on 9/10. Cleary signed with Detroit on 9/12. Holmgren said there was never a contract agreed upon.
- MJL

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Daniel Cleary is going to Philadelphia Flyers for 3 years, AAV of $2.75 Million. NTC. Deal won't be official till end of month.

Do you negotiate contracts in the NHL with a salary cap in place? There is also an off season salary cap. The Flyers made offers to both players because they were willing to sign both players. Using the off season 10% exemption. They would've had to make moves before the start of the season to fit everything, but they were willing to do so.
- MJL

Negotiating contracts isn't nearly as formal as you think.

That's not specific enough. I think they do a very good job re-signing their own players. They overpay most times in Free Agency just like every team does. But not always.
- MJL

They seem to use free agency a bit more than other teams, no? They just signed the top free agent defenseman, center and goalie last offseason.

Therefore, if they are using free agency (which you deemed as a means of overpayment for all teams) a lot, they are not using their finite amount of cap space in the most efficient manner.