Hockey is Canada's Game !! Gold Baby !!
- keatondixon

Yes, a goal post and poor officiating really got it done today for Canada.

Congratulations?

Here is Chara's 4, 5, 6 season.
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2000-01 New York Islanders. 82 2 7 9 157 -27
2001-02 Ottawa Senators NHL 75 10 13 23 156 30
2002-03 Ottawa Senators NHL 74 9 30 39 116 29


Also time on the average time on the ice for Chara was 22:20 in his 4th season, 22:16 in his 5th season, 24:57 in his 6th.


Luke Schenns time on the ice average was 16:02 for his 4th, 21:51 for his 5th, and 16:46 for his 6th.

2011-12 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 79 2 20 22 62 -6
2012-13 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 47 3 8 11 34 3
2013-14 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 56 3 4 7 49 2


So by his 4th season, Chara was already a consistent big minute defensive defenseman. By his 6th season he would pretty much become a double digit goal 40 pt guy. Point of the story is by his 6th season, Chara was who he was going to be at the NHL level. That does not bode well for L. Schenns future. Please find a guy who improved from professional year 7 on because that is what Schenn has to do to be more than what he is this year.
- psuhockey

Keep one thing in mind; Chara was 26 in his sixth full season, Schenn is only 24. The leafs didn't do Schenn any favours by keeping him at 18. Another year in junior, then one in the AHL would have done wonders for him. Schenn fell out of favour with Ron Wilson because he wasn't Brian Burke's golden boy, Jake Gardiner and didn't fit Wilsons view of how to play the game. The funny thing is Toronto had to go out and get 30 year old Tim Gleason to get back what they traded away with 24 year old Luke Schenn.

I guess women's hockey was discovered today

Keep one thing in mind; Chara was 26 in his sixth full season, Schenn is only 24. The leafs didn't do Schenn any favours by keeping him at 18. Another year in junior, then one in the AHL would have done wonders for him. Schenn fell out of favour with Ron Wilson because he wasn't Brian Burke's golden boy, Jake Gardiner and didn't fit Wilsons view of how to play the game. The funny thing is Toronto had to go out and get 30 year old Tim Gleason to get back what they traded away with 24 year old Luke Schenn.
- hagar58

Not to take away from what you said, but if my choice was to have JvR and "have to" get Tim Gleason, or to have Luke Schenn, I'm taking the JvR/Glesaon combo all day every day.

- JAKEw1234

the Russians mantra was a little different. They worded it "beat them like girls".

the Russians mantra was a little different. They worded it "beat them like girls".
- funmaster18

protypical.

Agreed, Chara didn't emerge as a top pair impact guy til his 6th season.
edit: I'm not saying Schenn will ever be as good as Chara, Im just making a point
- BiggE

I totally agree with giving dmen the benefit of the doubt and sticking with them through the ups and downs... but there have been a lot of Chara references these past few days, in connection with Morin and now Schenn... as if to say development can be so unpredictable that we can dismiss the bulk of historical patterns to hold out hope that our Clark Kent will somehow step out of a phone booth one day wearing a cape.

I think Schenn can still be a really useful player... pair him back with Kimmo or Gus and let him do his thing. His ability to gain exits out of the zone with possession is surprisingly solid for a guy who's supposedly not that good at it. He has some rough edges in his own zone that can be smoothed out with confidence and experience.

But after 400 NHL games, I think it's safe to say that he's never going to live up to the franchise moniker, and there's really nothing there to suggest that he'll magically flip that switch one day.

Austrian Ice Hockey Federation (ÖEHV) president Dieter Kalt has already said it was a mistake to name NHL star Thomas Vanek the team captain saying it was based mainly on his experience as a player and "this decision obviously went wrong."
- bmeltzer

Ouch!

I totally agree with giving dmen the benefit of the doubt and sticking with them through the ups and downs... but there have been a lot of Chara references these past few days, in connection with Morin and now Schenn... as if to say development can be so unpredictable that we can dismiss the bulk of historical patterns to hold out hope that our Clark Kent will somehow step out of a phone booth one day wearing a cape.

I think Schenn can still be a really useful player... pair him back with Kimmo or Gus and let him do his thing. His ability to gain exits out of the zone with possession is surprisingly solid for a guy who's supposedly not that good at it. He has some rough edges in his own zone that can be smoothed out with confidence and experience.

But after 400 NHL games, I think it's safe to say that he's never going to live up to the franchise moniker, and there's really nothing there to suggest that he'll magically flip that switch one day.
- Tomahawk

perhaps if he grew a weber-like playoff beard?

I totally agree with giving dmen the benefit of the doubt and sticking with them through the ups and downs... but there have been a lot of Chara references these past few days, in connection with Morin and now Schenn... as if to say development can be so unpredictable that we can dismiss the bulk of historical patterns to hold out hope that our Clark Kent will somehow step out of a phone booth one day wearing a cape.
- Tomahawk

I don't think (many) people are opining that Morin and/or Schenn are destined to be #1 elite-level defensemen. More just sayingthat they COULD turn into them, although it's a very slim chance of happening. I don't expect either to be, and I'm still iffy on the Morin pick. But yes, there is a slim chance that either/both can be on Chara's/Pronger's level. There's also a chance Jesus will descend from the heavens and tell us that the Scientologists were right.

perhaps if he grew a weber-like playoff beard?
- hammarby31

Aaron Ekblad is already doing that and he's 18.

perhaps if he grew a weber-like playoff beard?
- hammarby31

More than one Shea Weber-like playoff beard may rip the fabric of space-time.

Aaron Ekblad is already doing that and he's 18.
- JAKEw1234

I doubt Ekblad's can cut down redwoods or house a Norweigan fishing village.

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I doubt Ekblad's can cut down redwoods or house a Norweigan fishing village.
- jmatchett383

He's young, he has plenty of time to refine skills like that. Don't limit his career!

perhaps if he grew a weber-like playoff beard?
- hammarby31

Couldn't hurt... not sure Just for Men can do the trick... he may need the full-blown Chia treatment:

what's done is done
- 2Real

Unless it keeps happening over and over and over and over. Then you don't cry but you might find out why our team is never the one getting the best of the deal and make some changes.

Yes, a goal post and poor officiating really got it done today for Canada.

Congratulations?
- johndewar

giving up 2 goals in the final 4 minutes doesn't help.

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- PLindbergh31

Aaron Ekblad is already doing that and he's 18.
- JAKEw1234

"that doesn't really help us, michael."

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- PLindbergh31

seems like they're hard at work.

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- PLindbergh31

Makes me hate him more

Aaron Ekblad is already doing that and he's 18.
- JAKEw1234

I've got a beard, now where's my 14 year, 110 million $$ contract!!

Couldn't hurt... not sure Just for Men can do the trick... he may need the full-blown Chia treatment:


- Tomahawk